• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Public Resource Enterprise.

I think the overall goal is to collect up all the available info, gather it all up in one location, sort through it all, and hopefully wind up with the most accurate version possible without having to shell out the equivelent of two month's rent on my apartment or commit felony breaking and entering and burglary in the Smithsonian gift shop.
 
ThomasModels said:
Mr. Shaw, take another look at my previous post and note the content of the quote. I was not making note of the possibility that desired information would not be forthcoming from anything you said.


Shaw said:What drawings?
The drawings you have refered to here and in a previous post where those drawings were sampled and comped with photos:
If we use Sinclair's numbers we find that 134/59.25 is not equal to 32.7/16 (or even 32.46/16).
I cannot speak for whomever wrote up, or reviewed the MR website adspace, but is it not possible that those numbers on the site are in err and not the model itself?

I believe that is the case.

It never occured to me to measure the width of it before placing it back on top my 10 foot high armoire, but it is definitely less wide then 16 inches. I measured how much room would be needed to clear the model when I first got it with the intention of immediately buying a display case and came up with a 33 x 16 inch measurement leaving sufficient clearance on both sides.

Since I still haven't gotten one, on top of a huge armoire bolted to my wall is about the only place I trust to keep it.

I suspect the 32.7 x 16 inch measurements were given to originally let collectors know the kind of display space they would need.

Since the length of the model is indistinquishably precisely the length of the Real World ship in 350th scale,

as I suggested earlier I'm inclined to believe that the other measurements(32.7 x 16 inches) on the page are basically approximations meant to tell the collector how much space they would need to display it.

Again, Shaw is right that the measurements do not agree, but I've never seen any info that any of the model's features are at all inaccurate.

I'm not relying on my own admittedly unqualified eyesight.

I cannot be called even an amateur expert on the precise contours, proportions, etc.

But I've never read where anyone who is an expert on the subject has come up with any problems with it's accuracy.

I'll be the first to admit the paint job is not perfect.
There are one or two extremely small things that could have been executed better during build up.

But the model seems accurate from everything I've read so far.

If there are any inaccuracies I'd welcome anyone and everyone to chime in and list them.

Though I'd ask that people not list an errant drop of paint or other such thing on their particular build as an inaccuracy.


Thanks once again to Thomas for helping verify that the model was indeed build from measurements directly taken by the builders from the 11 foot miniature.

Perhaps others are right and a 1:350th scale model's measurements wouldn't help anyone with increasing the knowledge of the 11 foot miniature, even if the MR TOS E is very accurate.

But at least I know a little more about my MR model.

Good luck to all of you trying to document the old lady.

Clearly the MR Enterprise info isn't something anyone's interested in.

If I can think of some other info I can offer you or come across I'll be the first to share it with you guys.
 
This thread is about creating a set of plans for the original Enterprise. Anyone that has data to submit is welcome, but please, no personalities.

Thank you.

KTM
 
Capt. Robert April wrote:

"The one I cooked up on my computer a week or so ago?

To be clear, I'm not accusing Thomas of anything. He just said he "added" something to it, not that it was his.

And for the record, that overlay consists of Shaw's 3 footer plans and Casimiro's 11 footer drawings. Whatever Thomas added, I'm not seeing, mainly for technical reasons (if someone could email me his version directly, I'd be appreciative)."


If that composite doesn't contain any of Thomas' blueprints or original work then I'm mistaken and apologize in advance.

I'm not at my home computer and for some reason am now suddenly having a problem quoting, so I apologize for the sloppy quote above as well.

Once I can get to my PC I'll compare what I was emailed by someone of what is supposedly a sideview of the PL blueprints and look into it.

It does raise the question that if these were not Thomas' blueprints or contains some revision or correction,

what was the purpose of linking to them?

Is there not at least some correction to this diagram if it is the exact same one you made - Captain April?
 
The shuttlebay door alcove area and outboard landing platform sides are off on the MR model.
Sorry,Chuck!

CRA, I added another layer to the two in your image. It's lines are purple and may be a little fuzzy, but compare your image to the link above to see the difference.
 
KirkTrekModeler said:
This thread is about creating a set of plans for the original Enterprise. Anyone that has data to submit is welcome, but please, no personalities.

Thank you.

KTM

Quoting using this PC seems to be working again...

So I can now hit the quote button directly again...

Now I can more directly ask...

"Huh?" :confused:
 
ThomasModels said:
The shuttlebay door alcove area and outboard landing platform sides are off on the MR model.
Sorry,Chuck!

CRA, I added another layer to the two in your image. It's lines are purple and may be a little fuzzy, but compare your image to the link above to see the difference.

Understood now.
 
Like I said, I can't get an uncompressed image at the moment to save my life, so all I could see was a purplish blur over a slightly blurrier version of my original pic. And frankly, one more layer on that picture might be one layer too many anyway.

Any chance I could get you to email me what was added?
 
Other folks have pointed out the discrepency with the hangar door area, as well as the always popular forward running light that's not supposed to be there.

Kinda odd when a $1200 model still needs putty work and touch up painting.
 
Captain Robert April said:
Other folks have pointed out the discrepency with the hangar door area, as well as the always popular forward running light that's not supposed to be there.

Kinda odd when a $1200 model still needs putty work and touch up painting.

:wtf: :thumbsup: :guffaw:
 
Captain Robert April said:
I think the overall goal is to collect up all the available info, gather it all up in one location, sort through it all, and hopefully wind up with the most accurate version possible without having to shell out the equivelent of two month's rent on my apartment or commit felony breaking and entering and burglary in the Smithsonian gift shop.
Direct measurements and/or 3D laser scanning of the model are the most preferable (and accurate) way of documenting the model, but there are other ways using just photographs. I know there's many software options out there that can take various pictures and analyze them for common features to create a 3D model of an object. Even Sketchup has a limited version of this!
 
Here's the inaccurate area that Thomas was talking about:

MRTOS-EError.jpg


It's the only material design flaw I've been able to find in the model.

Captain Robert April said:
If I may, in Thomas' case, his information is of a confidential nature, since it came from Paramount in the performance of a licensing deal, and is therefore not exactly open for full public dissemination.

Not the same thing as in previous disputes with those who will remain nameless.
FYI: There are other circumstances that can ethically prevent a person from sharing information he's been given. Even Shaw has found himself in that position recently...

M.
 
I know it's been noted, but I'll note it again. Snark will kill this project dead dead dead.

Thomas - the reason that this project was suggested, even though it seems redundant, is that the past measurements of the E have been as part of a private endeavor. So even though those "in the know" have been as helpful and friendly as they can be (everyone please PLEASE remember that part) their hands are often tied. If a set of plans that can be developed that is free of those restrictions, then awesome.

What has been missing from this discussion is if it's even feasible to get access to the model and how we might go about doing it.
 
KirkTrekModeler said:
I'm really sorry to see this happen, can't we all just along?

I just wanted to get together on a set of plans.

Who is not getting along?

Again, I must be missing some kind of subtext that you're picking up on? :confused:
 
MGagen said:
Here's the inaccurate area that Thomas was talking about:

[image]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/ProfessorQuatermass/Miscellany/MRTOS-EError.jpg[/image]

It's the only material design flaw I've been able to find in the model.
M.

If the model's otherwise accurate, I'm happy.

She looks really puuuuuurty all lit up.

At first it had a rather loud whine due to the nacelle motors. That has died down now to being unnoticable, and she's got the most accurate nacelle effect I've ever seen, based on the kits available to accomplish this for other models.
 
Tallguy said:
I know it's been noted, but I'll note it again. Snark will kill this project dead dead dead.

Thomas - the reason that this project was suggested, even though it seems redundant, is that the past measurements of the E have been as part of a private endeavor. So even though those "in the know" have been as helpful and friendly as they can be (everyone please PLEASE remember that part) their hands are often tied. If a set of plans that can be developed that is free of those restrictions, then awesome.

What has been missing from this discussion is if it's even feasible to get access to the model and how we might go about doing it.

Snark? :confused:


Feasibility of access has been discussed, though.

I have my doubts about it, but don't let that stop anyone from trying.

Meanwhile, I think a more realistic way to approach it is to attempt to retouch and accuratize publicly available plans that are close to accurate.

To this end I believe Shaw is right now gathering all of his source material in order to attempt that.
 
Captain Robert April said:
I think the overall goal is to collect up all the available info, gather it all up in one location, sort through it all, and hopefully wind up with the most accurate version possible without having to shell out the equivelent of two month's rent on my apartment or commit felony breaking and entering and burglary in the Smithsonian gift shop.

Precisely. Exactly what I had intended, in the begining. Looking forward to what Shaw is working on and I'm collecting some data, as well.
 
I just got up and have to go out- don't have time to read all this but promiss to when I get back.

I was trained in museum stuff- worked in a few across Canada- I was always perplexed with the Smithsonians "restoration" of the Enterprise. But if they did anything right, there should have been a thorough Condition Assesment when they got her. This would include professional hand drawings, measurments, photos (in natural light), and specific note of course. Of course there would be treatment notes as well. Did the Smithsonian make this information accessible to people due to the great interest in this artifact? Those notes and photos would be nice to see. Especially the photos using professional lighting conditions.

gotta go- ugh. can't wait to get back to read all this!
 
Patrickivan said:
I was trained in museum stuff- worked in a few across Canada- I was always perplexed with the Smithsonians "restoration" of the Enterprise. But if they did anything right, there should have been a thorough Condition Assesment when they got her. This would include professional hand drawings, measurments, photos (in natural light), and specific note of course. Of course there would be treatment notes as well. Did the Smithsonian make this information accessible to people due to the great interest in this artifact? Those notes and photos would be nice to see. Especially the photos using professional lighting conditions.

The TOS Enterprise has had at least three restorations. You would think there would be at least three different sets of notes, not including those that have been given permission to measure the model, or see those notes for the purpose of making models and toys.

What I find amusing is that even toy makers and model kit producers never get all of the details correct.

Examples.... The AMT Enterprise looks nothing like the Enterprise. The PL kit had the initial decal set incorrect. The Art Asylum toy has the deflector rings wrong. The Playmates version was just a reworked AMT repop...... The list goes on.

There are CG guys that have done better work than many toy and model manufacturers.

It astounds me that this single model has never been faithfull reproduced. Unobtainium tried, but that was a debacle all its own. Perhaps the MR is close, but look at the production problems that plagued that ship.... light leaks, chipped paint, poor reproduction on the paint scheme.... I've seen several threads just on how many of those mass produced ships were replaced more than once.

You would think that after 40+ years, there would be accurate information available.....?????

Since you have a background in this, maybe you would be able to speak to the curators, if for no other reason, but that you can speak thier lingo.

Looking forward to hearing back from you.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top