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Proportional cast representation for season 3

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If I were gay asking about about representation prior to discovery being released, you would be jumped upon for your attitude of barking instructions of "quit fucking worrying", but you can openly and freely do so here.
Your whole statement comes across as angry, and bitter full of resentment, I am sure you fail to see it. I dont.
I‘m afraid you are beyond help if you can‘t see how those things are different. Last time I checked straight white males at large were never underrepresented, persecuted, oppressed, forced to undergo treatment or fucking murdered for being straight white males. So how are they even remotely the same?
 
Have we not had enough slashfic? :lol:
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Nope. More research is required.
 
Someone has to stand up for the underrepresented, underappreciated straight white male!

:wah:

*Really need a photo of that American Indian with the single tear running down his cheek, from the littering commercials of the 1970's here.
 
No, but it is kind of out-of-touch to cry "what about the whaaat mayun", when in basically all of sci-fi/fantasy history, white cis-het dudes were the overwhelming majority of lead characters (and women at least mostly either side characters or plot devices). Now, there is one Trek show where that is not the case - one. One. Well, boo.

...and yet, both Pike and Lorca, the captains of the first two seasons, were white cis-het dudes.

Can't you people just not get up in arms when for once - for once - you are not at the epicentre of everything? It is a bit silly. Just imagine being someone who only sees themselves represented as a stereotype or as playing second fiddle - at basically all times. Imagine mostly being a damsel in distress, a woman in a refrigerator, a stereotype, a romantic interest, a plot device ( e.g. a catalyst for a revenge plot). Imagine constantly being displayed as a piece of meat instead of a person. Imagine being part of a female audience that is constantly being condescended to or not taken seriously as a sci-fi geek. And that's not even bringing up issues of queerness or skin colour. That's what it's been like for decades for all of us who are not white cis-het men. Watch all other Trek shows if you're shedding a manly tear for the poor top of our societal vertical hierarchy. They still dominate fiction of most if not all mainstream genres.

If you are not affected by issues of mainstream representation, you really don't have a stake in it, which makes it easier to complain.

This alt left garbage is just as bad as the the alt right garage spewed by the OP.

Seriously do we really have to politise EVERYTHING? Even a TV show beloved by all?

Cant we just enjoy it for what it is? White, black or gay characters alike?
 
Who are you calling "you people?"
I'm going to respond to you exactly one more time. In all my interactions with you, I have not got the impression even once that you are actually asking honest questions. I get the impression that you are trying to bait me. Every single time, it was extremely obvious what I meant, so this pretending to only get the semantics of a statement instead of the pragmatics (i.e. pretending to see only the literal, context-free meaning) comes across as rather disingenuous. This kind of tactic is aggressive, fruitless, and pointless (and the "I'm joking" excuse doesn't fly, as it's impossible to tell whether these posts are facetious in nature, rendering any humorous intent utterly moot). I don't feel at all like conversation or clarification are intended, which is the entire point of mucking about in this place. If you want to have an actual dialogue, feel free to start one. Until then, goad someone else. Thank you and bye.
 
I‘m afraid you are beyond help if you can‘t see how those things are different. Last time I checked straight white males at large were never underrepresented, persecuted, oppressed, forced to undergo treatment or fucking murdered for being straight white males. So how are they even remotely the same?

You are trying to make this a history class for what SOME white races may have done in the past, something I am not responsible for nor a spokesperson on.
But this is not about the past, this is about the show discovery having a more balanced crew, despite others using my post as some sort of implement to bash the past and I think straight white males regardless of you thinking they have it easy or not are still not represented

Yes if there are ten humans in the show I would imagine a white straight male would have a spot. I am entitled to ask where they are
I would definitely expect far more Asians, notably Chinese or Indians as well would I lectured because of that too ?
 
Someone has to stand up for the underrepresented, underappreciated straight white male!

:wah:

*Really need a photo of that American Indian with the single tear running down his cheek, from the littering commercials of the 1970's here.
Ironically, he was a white male. (Look up Iron Eyes Cody for the full, and quite interesting, story about how an Italian child of immigrants assimilated into Navajo culture—it is NOT a simple case.)

Edit: ninja’d.
 
Honestly, this isn't even new for Star Trek.

There was, what, one white male human heterosexual character on the cast of DS9 as I recall.

I never thought about this before, but perhaps that's part of why DS9 still remains "the dark horse" even though it's possibly one of the best written sci fi series of all times. Possibly even my favourite television program of all time, tbh.

I mean, I have to admit I was sceptical myself at first, but came around to it.

Someone has to stand up for the underrepresented, underappreciated straight white male!

:wah:

*Really need a photo of that American Indian with the single tear running down his cheek, from the littering commercials of the 1970's here.

Never seen the actual ads, but I remember the parody in The Simpsons.
 
You are trying to make this a history class for what SOME white races may have done in the past, something I am not responsible for nor a spokesperson on.
But this is not about the past, this is about the show discovery having a more balanced crew, despite others using my post as some sort of implement to bash the past and I think straight white males regardless of you thinking they have it easy or not are still not represented

Yes if there are ten humans in the show I would imagine a white straight male would have a spot. I am entitled to ask where they are
I would definitely expect far more Asians, notably Chinese or Indians as well would I lectured because of that too ?

Well, look at it this way - of 10 humans, you'd expect maybe 1 or 2 to be white. You'd expect just under half to be male. We've got Stamets, a white male. He happens to also be gay (not sure what the statistics on that are, but you get the idea). There are straight males elsewhere on the ship, like probably Rhys and Bryce. We've also got plenty of white people, like Tilly and Reno. I don't really see the issue with representation when we've got straight males and arguably an over-representation of white people, but not a character who displays all three traits - especially after we've had series leads/co-leads Lorca and Pike displaying those traits.

Putting everything else aside, you probably don't have much to worry about - they've relied on the presence of two presumably-straight white male captains so far.
 
I just find it a bit hilarious that with a season that hasn't even been written or cast, you have a subsection of fandom wondering where the poor underrepresented white straight male is at?

One season of one show out of eight (and thirteen feature films) either already filmed or are being worked on, doesn't have a white straight male in the cast, yet, and the MRA nuts come crawling out of the woodwork like cockroaches. What a joke.
 
You are trying to make this a history class for what SOME white races may have done in the past, something I am not responsible for nor a spokesperson on.
What on Earth are you even talking about? I was responding to your untenable statement that the perceived underrepresentation of straight white males in fiction was somehow comparable to gay representation, i.e. people who were and are prosecuted and killed simply for being gay. They are NOT the same thing, as any sane person can see.
 
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