Prometheus 2: Apparently it's happening

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  1. JD

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    I stopped reading about half way through. They seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions based on things that could be explained a lot of different ways. A lot of the things he talked about could have just been things cause by production people not paying close enough attention or were jumbled up in some of the different drafts the script went through over time.
     
  2. Captain of the USS Averof

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    That's stupid. That would never have been filmed.

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  3. Nightowl1701

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    I'm sorry, but are we talking about the same Ridley Scott? I don't know how much his M.O. has changed since the late 70's/early 80's, but the Alien/Blade Runner Blu-Ray extras I've seen show a man who was meticulous about planning out every scene and micromanaging details to a degree George Lucas would envy. He doesn't just throw stuff at the camera and roll film, he carefully lays everything out just the way he wants it. I don't see a guy like that having much patience for people below him being sloppy, or not caring what's in the background.
     
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    I didn't realize he was that particular about what was on screen.
    Although if he was really that careful about the people below him being sloppy he probably wouldn't have let Damon Lindelof's script go through all of the issues that people have complained about since the movie came out.
     
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  5. Coco Pops 1967

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    Depends, did Scott have a full hands on time in this movie or was he happy just to have his name associated with it and take a paycheck?
     
  6. JWPlatt

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    Exactly. He is ultimately responsible for that mess, contradicting said meticulous reputation. His reputation for the visuals is sustained in Prometheus, but not the writing and characterization. He rammed his "big idea" through the process. That big idea changed, depending on when you asked him, and it shows.
     
  7. Morpheus 02

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    My problem with Prometheus is that it was a fake prequel ...
    There's a crashed alien vessel...But wait, it's not the one we saw in alien.

    There's a chestburster out of an alien humanoid...But apparently NOT the space Jockey

    And did Weyland Corp. Get a transmission alerting them to An alien species to go get?
    Weyland DID know SOMETHING about an alien to send Ripley's ship, right?

    And doesn't Weyland know about the crashed ship on LV 225?

    Hope this next movie corrects it.....
     
  8. Coco Pops 1967

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    Weyland Corporation must have known. If the AVP movie is canon that woman who led that expedition to that pyramid in the Arctic, well she saw both the Xenomorphs and Predators. So someone must have filed that information away somewhere.
     
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    ^ I assumed that Peter Weyland's appearance in Prometheus has made the AVP movies non-canon. How can there be two different Weylands (Peter, and Charles Bishop Weyland), each of which runs a different Weyland corp, and who are obviously not related?
     
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    I'm not sure, but I don't think AvP was ever considered canon.
     
  11. Coco Pops 1967

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    I thought that maybe the Weyland you see in AVP ran a different part of the company responsible for other stuff. Even in the Predator movies isn't it hinted that they take some of the evidence?
     
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    http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Weyland_Industries

    "Weyland Corp and its founder Peter Weyland from Prometheus appear to contradict the Weyland Industries origin portrayed in Alien vs. Predator. When Prometheus writer Damon Lindelof pointed this out to director Ridley Scott during the film's production, Scott made it clear that he had no intention of following the timeline laid out in the Alien vs. Predator films. It remains to be seen if this is an official retcon of events. However, it seems that at least the change in the company's name was intentional — in Jon Spaihts' original script for Prometheus, titled Alien: Engineers, Weyland Corp was still referred to as Weyland Industries, the name used in Alien vs. Predator. This was subsequently changed in later drafts."
     
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    "Canon" is something of a meaningless concept when it comes to Alien and/or Predator movies. There's nobody really overseeing the continuity of either franchise as a whole (no, fan run wikis don't count), Fox just hands out the licence to whomever can pay the fee. Each film, game, comic or whatever will pay as much attention to other entries in the franchise as it's creators feel inclined.

    I think it's a safe bet that Ridley Scott couldn't give two shits about the AvP movies (nor should he) and so they have no bearing on what he does in 'Prometheus' or 'Covenant' one way or the other. He does seem willing to give a nod to 'Aliens' but I think that's more a sign of respect to James Cameron than any desire for an all-inclusive continuity.
     
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    Those are good examples of Scott's fickle big idea, unanswered question, premise, and writing. His original observation was "Nobody ever asked what happened to that Space Jockey," which was his starting point and the story many of us really wanted to see, but then he changed the whole thing and never acknowledged that he changed his question or that he had ever asked it.
     
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    I suppose Peter and Charles could be distant cousins or something. It would be interesting to see if they really do coexist in canon and what would happen if one Weyland corporation went up against the other. :lol:
     
  16. Coco Pops 1967

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    OK I thought that the evidence of the Predators on Earth was taken by Weyland from Predator and Predator 2. OK maybe that's wrong.
     
  17. JWPlatt

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    Sounds frighteningly similar to the thinking that AvP was a good idea.
     
  18. Coco Pops 1967

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    I liked AVP bugger the fans I liked it.
     
  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Hey, don't look at me, Predator 2 started it. :p :razz:
     
  20. Nightowl1701

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    From what I've been given to understand, people at both Fox and in the Ridley Scott camp have gone out of their way to make it explicitly clear the two AvP films are not canon, nor is the Colonial Marines video game. Alien Isolation just barely qualifies (more from fan goodwill than anything else, like sales), as well as the Prometheus: Fire and Stone comic book (as it carefully steers clear of anything Scott wanted to cover). The first three Tim Lebbon novels are also considered canon, at least for now.

    Generally, the more the fans like/buy it (and the less it threatens to step on future films' toes), the more canonical they're considering it. That said, Blomkamp's Alien5 could yet blow up everything set post-Aliens.

    In other news, Alan Dean Foster has finished the Alien Covenant novelization and is also working on an 'in-between-quel' that covers the decade between Prometheus and the latter film, and may incorporate Scott's original 'Paradise Lost' sequel plans.