Problems with Nemesis

[Nebusj]

It's for the same reason we don't get a king out of check by announcing this is a silly game and tossing the board out the window.


To the plausibility of Shinzon's career: admittedly, going from discarded slave to battlestar commander is an unlikely path. On the other hand, if we didn't have the example of history to go by, would we call Napoleon Bonaparte's career at all plausible?

 

[Sean Aaron]

I could deal with the existence of Shinzon and how he got where he did (although that seemed like unambitious storytelling and a really lame attempt to manufacture a perfect foil for Picard), but typically of modern cinema there was no first act. We don't see his rise to power so destroying the Romulan Senate and taking over the Empire is a complete footnote (crappy CG set notwithstanding) -- it's just a throwaway event. You could have had him blow up Romulus for all the build-up and drama there was involved and it would have made no difference to the story whatsoever. And indeed since he's threatening Earth later, why not?

My bigger plot-related issue was how the hell did the Remans build a Borg-cube sized vessel without their Romulan masters finding out?

 

[cardinal biggles]

They covered it with a tarp during the day, and only worked on it at night, when their Romulan masters were asleep?

 

[Timo]

What reason do we have to think that the vessel was of Reman origin, except in the sense that Reman slave workers built her for the Romulan fleet?

All we know is that the vessel was built in secret - but secret from whom? The Klingons and the Federation, most probably. Perhaps some factions of Romulus as well. But no doubt Romulans were in charge, and Remans were not.

How does a slave revolt succeed? When it's orchestrated by the slavers. Somebody armed Shinzon and his Reman cohorts, with keys to their chains, with conventional weapons, with the thalaron secret. This somebody no doubt wanted the Senate dead first and Shinzon dead second... But perhaps underestimated his or her pawn.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Peach Wookiee]

cardinal biggles said:
They covered it with a tarp during the day, and only worked on it at night, when their Romulan masters were asleep?

Well, it worked for Anakin Skywalker...

 

[Sean Aaron]

Timo said:Somebody armed Shinzon and his Reman cohorts, with keys to their chains, with conventional weapons, with the thalaron secret. This somebody no doubt wanted the Senate dead first and Shinzon dead second... But perhaps underestimated his or her pawn.

See, that's the kind of first-act stuff that would have made the story more compelling and better grounded it in the realm of believability. If I need a short story from the Dominion War anthology and fanfic to make the movie work, well, I don't really need to say more do I?