Well, we know that if we have a big enough quantity of matter at the same place it will collapse in and on itself spontaneously WITHOUT red matter. IOW, when it comes to black holes the bigger they get the faster they collapse. Red matter is only necessary when you have a sub-critical quantity of matter. The smaller the quantity of matter, the more extra pressure you'll have to add to FORCE it into collapsing into a black hole. That's elementary logic. It stands to reason that the smaller the initial quantity of matter, the MORE red matter you'll need to force it to collapse.
Prime Universe time travel and the new timeline
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Well, we know that if we have a big enough quantity of matter at the same place it will collapse in and on itself spontaneously WITHOUT red matter. IOW, when it comes to black holes the bigger they get the faster they collapse. Red matter is only necessary when you have a sub-critical quantity of matter. The smaller the quantity of matter, the more extra pressure you'll have to add to FORCE it into collapsing into a black hole. That's elementary logic. It stands to reason that the smaller the initial quantity of matter, the MORE red matter you'll need to force it to collapse.
But Red Matter could be powerful enough that the difference is a matter of milliliters. Yes, we see more than that used, but it's not like there's any reason for the people deploying it to be conservative in their usage.
What we don't ever see is a small enough quantity of Red Matter used that the target fails to form a black hole.
What we don't ever see is a small enough quantity of Red Matter used that the target fails to form a black hole.
I am just saying that he seems to have enough red matter to turn the whole quadrant into nothing but black holes.
Women often say that size doesn't matter but who knows what they really think?
Why is she demanding he smell her finger?
I must say, with all the loopholes, that are in the JJTrek science (flat Black Holes/ Red Matter/ that supernovathingy that wiped the Romulans out, which travels faster than Warpspeed), I never really put much cosideration in explanaitions why certain things happen in those movies. They just do. Like in Star Wars. No one is seriously debating how the Millenium Falcon can travel those distances, with only 4 times lightspeed. That would be around Warp 2.
The interesting question is - is this my universe? There are indications in and around the Movies, that the Prime Timeline has been extinguished and replaced by the new JJTimline. A real life hint to that is, that JJ actually wanted CBS and Paramount to take every bit of merchandising off the market, that was not related to his new movies. Wipe out the old timeline in the movie - wipe out the old timeline in the stores.
So, if time is like a video cassette, then Nero hit the rewind button and recorded a new story over the old tapes. The original time is gone and can never be retrieved.
But if time branches into different quantum realities, the JJ movies are in a different quantum reality, with only Spocks absence noticable in the still existing prime universe. But why should I care about those people in that universe? Star Trek was supposed to play in THIS quantum reality. Why would I care about people having problems in other realities more, than in my own? (I think the "Quantum Mirror" episodes in SG1 made a good point about that)
Fringe, Cloverfield, Lost, Alias and other JJ shows and movies worked, because they were playing in a selfcreated and selfcontained universe. But if one tries to apply rules made for Lost and Fringe to something, that other people have already established a ruleset for since 1964, this is the mess that comes out of it. I for one am still as confused as I was when I read the first entry in this thread. Is this now "MY" Universe/Timeline or not?
The interesting question is - is this my universe? There are indications in and around the Movies, that the Prime Timeline has been extinguished and replaced by the new JJTimline. A real life hint to that is, that JJ actually wanted CBS and Paramount to take every bit of merchandising off the market, that was not related to his new movies. Wipe out the old timeline in the movie - wipe out the old timeline in the stores.
So, if time is like a video cassette, then Nero hit the rewind button and recorded a new story over the old tapes. The original time is gone and can never be retrieved.
But if time branches into different quantum realities, the JJ movies are in a different quantum reality, with only Spocks absence noticable in the still existing prime universe. But why should I care about those people in that universe? Star Trek was supposed to play in THIS quantum reality. Why would I care about people having problems in other realities more, than in my own? (I think the "Quantum Mirror" episodes in SG1 made a good point about that)
Fringe, Cloverfield, Lost, Alias and other JJ shows and movies worked, because they were playing in a selfcreated and selfcontained universe. But if one tries to apply rules made for Lost and Fringe to something, that other people have already established a ruleset for since 1964, this is the mess that comes out of it. I for one am still as confused as I was when I read the first entry in this thread. Is this now "MY" Universe/Timeline or not?
Why is she demanding he smell her finger?
I shudder to think.
Seems clear that the Prime Universe is not THIS quantum reality. Maybe the Abramsverse will get more things right.
Of course it isn't. We didn't have any eugenics wars in the 1990s, did we? So, we're already in a fundamentally different universe.
How could they have been wrong about something so general and enormous as the eugenics wars? It beats the crap out of whatever beats the hell out of misplacing a famous battle by a few miles which is about the worst that historians do about events in the middle ages for example.
I'm pretty sure Khan himself makes a "1990's" reference in either Space Seed or WoK.
In TWoK.
Well, obviously they were wrong because we know better for having lived in the times, don't we? I supposed whatever transpired sometime into the future damaged the records.
The film record was wrong. It's been known to happen. Even the Enterprise video records could be altered. See "Court Martial."
That was just a mistake by the writer. It's not "binding".
Why is it any less binding or canon on one episode of Star Trek than another? Which is the faaaaake?
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