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Previous Hater: I just drank the Kool-Aid!

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firefox390

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...and man, was that ever refreshing! Ok, here's what went down:

Last Thursday, I left the theater disappointed as some of us die-hards are. I was pissed about the whole idea that they were screwing with the Star Trek timeline. Then I hear about “alternate reality” – I was like, “That’s just an excuse!” I went online and checked all of the Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams interviews: and I was wrong. They repeatedly state about how they intended it to be an “alternate reality”. I went back to watching the film yesterday to actually hear Spock and Uhura mentioning it.

Abrams & Co. did mean it when they wanted to protect the legacy of TOS, and by creating the alternate reality, nothing that we know will change. Then I thought, “Whoa…what they did might actually work!” It would be cool to have a parallel universe to see what the Federation might look like under different circumstances?

But that’s not the best story:

Yesterday, I got a call from my cousin, who saw the film and felt it was the best movie he’s ever seen. This isn’t any guy: for many years, he actually hasn’t seen a single episode of any Star Trek series. He doesn’t know why, but after watching the film, he went on to order the original series on blu ray! I was shocked and said he was crazy. He said he was hooked on the characters and was intent on learning more about how these characters developed.

This is what Gene Roddenberry dreamed about: To see that his works would capture the minds of so many and to live on for another lifetime. His purpose of creating Star Trek was about developing characters with unique differences that everyone would fall in love with and forming relationships that people could relate to. He was about creating a universe that everyone would feel that they would want to live in…a future where there is no poverty, war, and disease. Most important, it’s about infusing storytelling with strong moral messages.

Last Thursday, my mind was so wrapped around the idea of time continuity that I failed to capture the moral of this story. Abrams wanted to illustrate the power of friendship: how two people that can’t be any more different and don't get along at first, can become best friends. The film also focuses on the individual battles that both Kirk and Spock had to face growing up: Spock’s inner struggle to fit in with both humans and Vulcans, and Kirk overcoming his rebellious nature to honor the legacy that his father left behind.

As long as Star Trek exists, the characters that Gene Roddenberry created will live on. Not even in a hundred years from now will we, our children, nor our grandchildren will ever forget the name…Star Trek.
 
It just seems to me that for the people that drank the kool aid.

They like it because it draws in new fans, and gives star trek new life.
well that's all good and dandy, but that doesnt make the film stand on its own.

If you want to be objective about it, the new fans that gets draw in by the FX, the space battles the explosions, the shaky camera tricks that made the movie an eye candy rather than what start trek is.

Now a days it just seems like movies need to be flashy and shinny, with none of the heart and soul behind it. For the entire time i was watching the movie it feel like i was playing on my xbox and keep wanting to hit that reset button when vulcan blow up.

For those that like the kool aid know what you are drinking.

And for those that cant stomach this juice know what you are hating.
 
It just seems to me that for the people that drank the kool aid.

They like it because it draws in new fans, and gives star trek new life.
well that's all good and dandy, but that doesnt make the film stand on its own.

If you want to be objective about it, the new fans that gets draw in by the FX, the space battles the explosions, the shaky camera tricks that made the movie an eye candy rather than what start trek is.

Now a days it just seems like movies need to be flashy and shinny, with none of the heart and soul behind it. For the entire time i was watching the movie it feel like i was playing on my xbox and keep wanting to hit that reset button when vulcan blow up.

For those that like the kool aid know what you are drinking.

And for those that cant stomach this juice know what you are hating.

I enjoyed the film very much, loved it in fact. I believe it has heart, character and is great fun. Your mileage may vary, and that's fine, but I drank no kool-aid. I simply enjoyed a Star Trek movie.

J.
 
I think the OP was mocking the "You all drank JJ's cool-aid" thread. I enjoyed it for what it was, a movie.
 
I finally drank to Kool-aid after going home and watching some TOS even with the inconsistencies it makes the characters seem more alive after seeing their origins story.
 
It just seems to me that for the people that drank the kool aid.

They like it because it draws in new fans, and gives star trek new life.
well that's all good and dandy, but that doesnt make the film stand on its own.

If you want to be objective about it, the new fans that gets draw in by the FX, the space battles the explosions, the shaky camera tricks that made the movie an eye candy rather than what start trek is.

Now a days it just seems like movies need to be flashy and shinny, with none of the heart and soul behind it. For the entire time i was watching the movie it feel like i was playing on my xbox and keep wanting to hit that reset button when vulcan blow up.

For those that like the kool aid know what you are drinking.

And for those that cant stomach this juice know what you are hating.

I enjoyed the film very much, loved it in fact. I believe it has heart, character and is great fun. Your mileage may vary, and that's fine, but I drank no kool-aid. I simply enjoyed a Star Trek movie.

J.

:techman:
 
Hey, I don't like it because it's drawing in new fans, but because it's good. But I guess this is going to happen a lot in the weeks to come: people trying to figure out why someone liked the film or why they didn't.
 
It just seems to me that for the people that drank the kool aid.

They like it because it draws in new fans, and gives star trek new life.
well that's all good and dandy, but that doesnt make the film stand on its own.

If you want to be objective about it, the new fans that gets draw in by the FX, the space battles the explosions, the shaky camera tricks that made the movie an eye candy rather than what start trek is.

Now a days it just seems like movies need to be flashy and shinny, with none of the heart and soul behind it. For the entire time i was watching the movie it feel like i was playing on my xbox and keep wanting to hit that reset button when vulcan blow up.

For those that like the kool aid know what you are drinking.

And for those that cant stomach this juice know what you are hating.

You make this film sound like it's The Phantom Menace. Yes, the film is loaded with CGI and special effects, but there's more to it than that. The storyline, the characters, the emotions, almost everything that needed to be in a great film was there.

My initial objection to the film was the fact that Vulcan was destroyed and disrupted the flow of the Trek 'timeline'. But the haters need to know that it doesn't compromise any of the series or films.

Maybe you are referring to the pace of the film? If there was anything that I would suggest to Abrams it would be to slow the pace of the film. I think it was a little bit too fast with how everything unfolded...207 minutes felt like an hour. But I'm sure that Abrams will consider that IF he directs the next film.
 
...gets draw in by the FX, the space battles the explosions, the shaky camera tricks that made the movie an eye candy rather than what start trek is.

These two things aren't mutually exclusive, and I would argue that this Trek has both in droves
 
I think it's just a down right damn good movie. I also think this will stand out as one of the better Trek movies.
 
This is what Gene Roddenberry dreamed about: To see that his works would capture the minds of so many and to live on for another lifetime. His purpose of creating Star Trek was about developing characters with unique differences that everyone would fall in love with and forming relationships that people could relate to. He was about creating a universe that everyone would feel that they would want to live in…a future where there is no poverty, war, and disease. Most important, it’s about infusing storytelling with strong moral messages...

As long as Star Trek exists, the characters that Gene Roddenberry created will live on. Not even in a hundred years from now will we, our children, nor our grandchildren will ever forget the name…Star Trek.

You are more necro-telepathic than I, because I have no idea what Roddenberry dreamed or what his purpose in creating Star Trek was.

But I do think you're right about the strong moral message. And you're wrong about "as long as Star Trek exists." I don't believe than an insipid, dumbed-down, adrenaline-laden version of Trek is good enough. Trek is, at its heart, brains over brawn with a moral. This film had neither.
 
It just seems to me that for the people that drank the kool aid.

They like it because it draws in new fans, and gives star trek new life.
well that's all good and dandy, but that doesnt make the film stand on its own.

If you want to be objective about it, the new fans that gets draw in by the FX, the space battles the explosions, the shaky camera tricks that made the movie an eye candy rather than what start trek is.

Now a days it just seems like movies need to be flashy and shinny, with none of the heart and soul behind it. For the entire time i was watching the movie it feel like i was playing on my xbox and keep wanting to hit that reset button when vulcan blow up.

For those that like the kool aid know what you are drinking.

And for those that cant stomach this juice know what you are hating.

You make this film sound like it's The Phantom Menace. Yes, the film is loaded with CGI and special effects, but there's more to it than that. The storyline, the characters, the emotions, almost everything that needed to be in a great film was there.

My initial objection to the film was the fact that Vulcan was destroyed and disrupted the flow of the Trek 'timeline'. But the haters need to know that it doesn't compromise any of the series or films.

Maybe you are referring to the pace of the film? If there was anything that I would suggest to Abrams it would be to slow the pace of the film. I think it was a little bit too fast with how everything unfolded...207 minutes felt like an hour. But I'm sure that Abrams will consider that IF he directs the next film.

All the elements for character development is in the movie, i just wish that they had spent more time on it rather than the flashy CGI. Maybe that was due to the fact that the movie had a such fast pace, abrams didnt have time, but the point is he should of made time.

I'm sorry that shinny alone just doesnt cut it for me.
 
I went into the movie wanting to really love it. I left feeling kinda like I did 20 years ago when I walked out of Highlander 2.

I mean it wasn't *that* bad, but the same feelings came back to me.

In particular, I am still flabbergasted by the whole Spock-Uhura make-out session on the transporter.
 
Wouldn't you want to kiss your boyfriend before he goes on what's likely to be a suicide mission? To hell with protocol, they were a ship full of cadets anyway.
 
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