I guess it was inevitable that once we learned some of the details around ST: Discovery and the earlier registry number there would be a subset of folks that wouldn't accept it. ST: Enterprise fans know this all too well. I'd be curious to know other ST: ENT fans perspective on the recently released details of the new show.
Prequel panic once again
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I'm entirely ok with it.
I am very happy. In theory, it could be are best chance to see some of the ENT cast as their characters again. Both the series itself and the alternate timeline of the current movies suggest Archer lived to a very old age. Scott Bakula already works for CBS on NCIS New Orleans. Working a cameo into his schedule would be much easier than if he worked at a rival network.
Also some of the aliens like T'pol, Soval, maybe even Phlox, and Shran could still be alive.
Wishing thinking. But it's the only series whose characters could appear without the contrivances of stuff like time travel.
Also some of the aliens like T'pol, Soval, maybe even Phlox, and Shran could still be alive.
Wishing thinking. But it's the only series whose characters could appear without the contrivances of stuff like time travel.
i think it sounds fantastic, can't wait. really hoping to see some ENT characters cropping every now again, and also audrid (? - it would be audrid in the 2250s, right?) dax. i'm intrigued by the mention of robots making an appearance in the new show, and wonder if this will somehow be tied in with arik soong's early work in cybernetics - could be a great opportunity to follow up on an ENT plot thread, and to foreshadow noonien soong's later, more advanced work. also hoping to see plenty of k'vagh-style post-augment-virus TOS-style klingons. i can't wait for january - sounds to me like a great show. i totally do NOT get the hostility directed toward any trek productions in the pre-TOS era, i think it's a really fascinating time in the trek universe.
As ENT fans I'm not surprised that we would welcome a prequel series. The lifespan of Denobulans are noted as quite long (ref memory alpha), so a chance to see Billingsley as Phlox would be wonderful. Of course Vulcans are know to have long lifespans, so T'Pol would be a possibility as well.
Ok, I'm officially starting to anticipate ST in January
Ok, I'm officially starting to anticipate ST in January
It took me a long time to realize something about the most vocal online critics, not just in Trek but every fandom. They act that way because they have very narrow expectations and realize their preferences do not matter to those making the decisions. Consider ourselves the lucky ones for being more open minded and having broad tastes. That is not to say it is bad to make legitimate criticisms. But there is a big difference between that and kneejerk complaining. TV and movies are not like going to a restaurant and giving detailed instructions on how your meal should be made. Never has been!
I'm sure there is some truth to that in some cases However, for myself, I don't consider myself necessarily more open minded -- I just miss ST on TV and want to see it again.
Another prequel? That can only mean one thing!
I like Enterprise as a severely flawed creation. LOTS of stuff I would have done/handled differently but it wasn't my show to make and it is what it is. That said, I've enjoyed watching it over the years.
For DSC, I was really hoping they'd go at least 50 years forward of Nemesis and start with a clean sheet, with the ability to use everything that has come before and not be hamstrung by past events. Just keep on trucking into the heretofore unexplored regions of the galaxy and have at it.
The news that they are going to go 10 years pre-TOS leaves me with some mixed feelings. On the pro side, the TOS era is unquestionably my favorite era of Trek, so a series set in this time frame doesn't make my head explode or anything like that. If they preserve some the thematic elements of the TOS era (the attitude of Starfleet, the space IS the wild frontier mindset, etc), that'll be good. The TOS era is a little wilder, more dangerous, and romantic than the TNG era. Let's hope they capture the feel.
On the con side, the show creators are making a lot of work for themselves right out of the gate. If they respect Trek canon and want to adhere to it, there is a veritable warehouse full of material they are not going to be able to make use of. Anything from the 24th Century for starters, and plot elements not seen for the first time until TOS, such as the Romulans. The danger here is that they are going to fall into the same trap Enterprise fell in to, which was to promise something new and exciting in the prequel era and then give us a show with the Borg, the Ferengi, Phasers, Photon Torpedoes, Starfleet, Klingons a full half century before their time, and Romulans already in possession of their cutting edge 23rd Century technology. If they want to 'prequelize' the new show by setting it mid-stream, fine, but then they need to ADHERE to the restrictions they've set upon themselves. I think they have a good chance of making it work, given the serialized nature of this show and the way they are planning to dramatize 'a novel' with each season.
To summarize, let's just say that based on all I've seen so far, I have concerns but I am cautiously optimistic.
For DSC, I was really hoping they'd go at least 50 years forward of Nemesis and start with a clean sheet, with the ability to use everything that has come before and not be hamstrung by past events. Just keep on trucking into the heretofore unexplored regions of the galaxy and have at it.
The news that they are going to go 10 years pre-TOS leaves me with some mixed feelings. On the pro side, the TOS era is unquestionably my favorite era of Trek, so a series set in this time frame doesn't make my head explode or anything like that. If they preserve some the thematic elements of the TOS era (the attitude of Starfleet, the space IS the wild frontier mindset, etc), that'll be good. The TOS era is a little wilder, more dangerous, and romantic than the TNG era. Let's hope they capture the feel.
On the con side, the show creators are making a lot of work for themselves right out of the gate. If they respect Trek canon and want to adhere to it, there is a veritable warehouse full of material they are not going to be able to make use of. Anything from the 24th Century for starters, and plot elements not seen for the first time until TOS, such as the Romulans. The danger here is that they are going to fall into the same trap Enterprise fell in to, which was to promise something new and exciting in the prequel era and then give us a show with the Borg, the Ferengi, Phasers, Photon Torpedoes, Starfleet, Klingons a full half century before their time, and Romulans already in possession of their cutting edge 23rd Century technology. If they want to 'prequelize' the new show by setting it mid-stream, fine, but then they need to ADHERE to the restrictions they've set upon themselves. I think they have a good chance of making it work, given the serialized nature of this show and the way they are planning to dramatize 'a novel' with each season.
To summarize, let's just say that based on all I've seen so far, I have concerns but I am cautiously optimistic.
As a TOS and ENT fan I'm very excited about DSC. I've always had a fondness for the Pike era, ever since I saw The Cage, and my first ever episode I saw as a kid was WNMHGB, so I approve of the aesthetics of that period as well. I'm rather tired of the 24th century but the earlier times of the Federation and Starfleet has a lot of story potential, much like ENT did (and sadly didn't really begin to deliver until it was too late).
This!
You know how I got into Trek? I had a crush on a Trekkie in High School and the night of Enterprise's premiere my TV just happened to be on UPN as I did my homework. That ENT was one of maybe two TV shows on network TV whose season open didn't get pushed back because of 9/11 was a bonus. My only knowledge of Trek came from the TNG epis my aunt forced me to watch at her house several years earlier and I still primarily associated William Shatter to Rescue 911.
Long story short, while ENT has fallen from the pedistal and I'm far, far more of a DS9 fan with TNG second, I never would've watched those series if not for this show first. I think long time Trek fans forget they were once new too, and that fandom darlings TNG and DS9 were both initially lambasted. "How can there be a Big 8 on TNG?" "Why would you set a Trek series on a space station?"
Me, I'm a go with the flow type of fan. As long as no bloody Borg, Ferengi, Cardassians or Species 8472 show up and we get anything new about Klingon culture besides warriors spouting about honor, I'm good.
It's utter bollocks, and a comparison that does not compute. I can understand burned out Voyager fans, after the benchmark low that was their finale, not giving a shot to a series run by the same fucktard producers and network that ran that show into the ground.
This is a whole new beast, with a whole new team, on a whole new platform that we ENT fans wished was availible (and counted by Neilson!) ten years ago. And I know the people in charge have to be aware that coasting on Trek's brand for two seasons will not cut it for network TV, much less on a paid service.
I want Trek to succeed, but letting go of the past goes both ways.
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