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[Joisey]

UWC Defiance said:

Kirk knowing Spock before serving on Enterprise is not a problem - it's not stated or implied anywhere in TOS that this is a fact. It's just one of those "fanon" bits of nonsense.

This was in the novel "Enterprise" by Diane Duane, if I'm not mistaken. It starts with Kirk taking over the Enterprise from Chris Pike, who was promoted to Commodore. In the novel, Scotty, Spock, and Uhura were already serving under Pike. Number One transferred as Captain of another command. SFC made Spock Kirk's First Officer over Kirk's objections, who wanted Gary Mitchell as his First Officer.

I am tired of having each Star Trek movie re-write every Star Trek novel I read. Every movie creates a new universe and there is no continuity about anything.

I wish Paramount had done what Lucas did with the Star Wars franchise: Every novel is scrupulously vetted for continuity before it's published. Every novel is canon.

If Star Wars were like Star Trek, then Lucas would be green lighting a new movie that completely junks everything that was in the Timothy Zahn Trilogy. That's what the Star Trek franchise is like and I'm sick of it.

 

[Joisey]

Spider said:
I think the most distracting aspect of the new movie is Kirk being a female: Jessica T. Kirk just doesn't sit well with me. Even though they have signed Angelina Jolie to play the part, I still have reservations about this.

And she's a Lesbian. Hey, why not, it couldn't really matter anymore, anyway.

 

[Spider]

Joisey said:

Spider said:
I think the most distracting aspect of the new movie is Kirk being a female: Jessica T. Kirk just doesn't sit well with me. Even though they have signed Angelina Jolie to play the part, I still have reservations about this.

And she's a Lesbian. Hey, why not, it couldn't really matter anymore, anyway.

There we go, Star Trek will certainly pull in the box office reciepts now! The franchise is saved.

 

[ancient]

I'm guessing the sets will be updated, at least more detailed an such. The uniforms will not be the WNMHGB colors or style. The uniforms will have different tayloring at least, and probably a few modifications.

If the women are in miniskirts it'll be a continuity error since they clearly wear pants in WNMHGB and "The Cage". But I can forgive that error, should they make it.

 

[Sharr Khan]

I am tired of having each Star Trek movie re-write every Star Trek novel I read. Every movie creates a new universe and there is no continuity about anything.

The books aren't part of the continuity... or "official" canon (redundant) No one's rewriting anything here. Alot of stuff that happans in books gets ignored on screen Trek has no obligation to follow it or even care that it there.

You'd be better off treating books like "what ifs", I mean TNG never respected the Rhihanssu books when it came to Romulans why shout they start now.

Though I hear, these writers have infact "read Star Trek books" and have implied here or there they think of some of them as "canon"... so you might get a surprise.

Sharr

 

[seigezunt]

Joisey said:

I am tired of having each Star Trek movie re-write every Star Trek novel I read. Every movie creates a new universe and there is no continuity about anything.

I wish Paramount had done what Lucas did with the Star Wars franchise: Every novel is scrupulously vetted for continuity before it's published. Every novel is canon.

No it isn't.

And when the novels were much more scrupulous about keeping with a set canon, it made for boring novels.

I like many of the novels. But they shouldn't be used to neuter this film.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Spider said:
I think the most distracting aspect of the new movie is Kirk being a female: Jessica T. Kirk just doesn't sit well with me. Even though they have signed Angelina Jolie to play the part, I still have reservations about this.

I had reservations about the idea until Jolie was cast.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

UWC Defiance said:
Certainly enough things will be different that a lot of hard core fans will be unhappy. Visually, the movie will contain reminders of the original designs but nothing will be identical and most of it won't be close enough to satisfy the really nitpicky.

Kirk knowing Spock before serving on Enterprise is not a problem - it's not stated or implied anywhere in TOS that this is a fact. It's just one of those "fanon" bits of nonsense.

In fact, there's (arguable) on-screen evidence that they knew each other before. Same for McCoy.

All of this regarding Spock is implicit in TWOK, where Spock has personal knowledge of Kirk's Kobayashi Maru "solution" and the fact that he took the test several times... and his prior knowledge of Carol Marcus (and her knowledge of him as well). There's nothing in TOS that implies, or denies, the two of them having prior knowledge. However, there is clear on-screen evidence that, at the time of WNMHGB, they weren't exactly FRIENDS yet. Kirk was making an effort to get to know Spock, but they were just beginning to become friends...

McCoy's backstory with Kirk is established, slightly, in TOS, however. Kirk was familiar with McCoy's previous romantic relationship with the then-Nancy-Crater (aka the salt-vampire). This, presumably (consider the time when this was written, after all) would have been after McCoy's divorce, but before his time on Enterprise.

Maybe we'll see the recently-divorced McCoy, not yet a member of Starfleet, yet still involved in whatever crisis happens here. And maybe he'll be traveling with his hot new "rebound girlfriend," Nancy.

Hmmm...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's interesting that in WNMHGB Spock takes it upon himself to linger and to give Kirk private advice after the staff meeting has broken up and everyone's filed out. Think about that - this guy (dispassionate as he may be) considers it within his purview to hang back and discuss killing a fellow officer with his commander. This and the chess game suggest that they have some kind of one-on-one relationship - Spock is likely either the first officer or Kirk's friend to some degree. There are fans who insist that neither of those things are true.

 

[Sharr Khan]

UWC Defiance said:
It's interesting that in WNMHGB Spock takes it upon himself to linger and to give Kirk private advice after the staff meeting has broken up and everyone's filed out. Think about that - this guy (dispassionate as he may be) considers it within his purview to hang back and discuss killing a fellow officer with his commander. This and the chess game suggest that they have some kind of one-on-one relationship - Spock is likely either the first officer or Kirk's friend to some degree. There are fans who insist that neither of those things are true.

I really identify with Spock's struggle," he says. "We're going back to a time before anything (Nimoy did in the original series) was established. These characters are in a completely different stage of their lives." — Zachary Quinto

I think that's a hint, only a little one about the time period here.

Sharr

 

[Cary L. Brown]

UWC Defiance said:
It's interesting that in WNMHGB Spock takes it upon himself to linger and to give Kirk private advice after the staff meeting has broken up and everyone's filed out. Think about that - this guy (dispassionate as he may be) considers it within his purview to hang back and discuss killing a fellow officer with his commander. This and the chess game suggest that they have some kind of one-on-one relationship - Spock is likely either the first officer or Kirk's friend to some degree. There are fans who insist that neither of those things are true.

Well, this never bothered me. I got the impression that there was the BEGINNING of a friendship there, but it wasn't very strong yet. The chess game seemed to indicate that Kirk and Spock were making the effort... yet the dialog there also indicated that they weren't really all that familiar with each other yet.

As for Mitchell being the first officer... well, Spock would have been the next in line, and with Mitchell out-of-action (even if it were just temporarily) it would have been Spocks duty, as "acting First Officer" to serve in that role, even if he hadn't formally taken that position yet. So, whether he was first officer or second officer, his behavior in that regard always seemed perfectly reasonable.

My personal opinion is that Kirk and Spock met years before, developed a grudging admiration and appreciation for each other, but didn't stay in contact afterwards. So the actual FRIENDSHIP started once Kirk took command of the Enterprise and had Spock under him.

I'd guess that Spock was probably recommended by Pike to be the first officer, but that Kirk brought his most trusted friend along for the position, instead, resulting in some (typically vulcanlike) hidden hurt feelings, and maybe even a sense of guilt for Kirk.

On the other hand, I can live with Mitchell being second officer and Spock being first officer... the story really isn't affected either way.

 

[FatherRob]

Explaining McCoy's presence on the Enterprise would be simple. He is a junior medical officer, not the senior. He can be a Lieutenant. Perhaps Kirk brought him over from his previous assignment, knowing that Piper was planning to retire... or just to get him out of a bad situation. Who knows.

This is Science Fiction...

In seriousness, however... I tend to view Star Trek as we have it as Federation propaganda. I'd like for the new Star Trek to be 'what actually happened' (kinda like the difference between "Midway" the movie and the real Battle of Midway).

Rob+

 

[Delta1]

Spider said:
I think the most distracting aspect of the new movie is Kirk being a female: Jessica T. Kirk just doesn't sit well with me. Even though they have signed Angelina Jolie to play the part, I still have reservations about this.

I do, too. It should be Jessica R. Kirk.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The new Spock is half an inch too tall. I'm boycotting this garbage!

I think we should give the writers a chance, there's too many weirdo's out there looking too much into this and picking it every last piece of it.

Hey you're talking about TrekBBS's bread and butter! They gotta generate those ad views somehow, don't they?

Okay, to try to answer the question semi-seriously, I think Abrams should adhere to all canon with an insane degree of fidelity, but he should bring back James R. Kirk and tell us that his middle name is Ruprecht, just to frak with us.

 

[ancient]

His name is James T. Kirk.

The "T" stands for Edgar.

 

[DeVario]

I can't believe this film will start with the Paramount logo instead of the Desilu logo! Trek is ruined for me for all time!

 

[LegionMk59]

I think when the ship goes to red alert and we all see Kirk and Spock come out naked from the tub still hugging and canoodling with one another... I think that might annoy those wanting to keep with the past

 

[Holytomato]

Naw, Angelina Jolie is gonna play Scotty. noo....bones. Yep. :thumbsup:

The Enterprise will look like Star Trek Legacy's Constitution mark 1 :applause:

and the Starfleet Uniforms will be based on TWOK's with the jacket off, and the department colors and order from ENT.

:second applause:

Also, Last Unicorn Games' Among the Clans The Andorians will become part of Paramount Canon tm.

 

[seigezunt]

the money shot was entirely wrong.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

FatherRob said:


In seriousness, however... I tend to view Star Trek as we have it as Federation propaganda. I'd like for the new Star Trek to be 'what actually happened' (kinda like the difference between "Midway" the movie and the real Battle of Midway).

Rob+

Roddenberry suggested that the original series was a in-universe romantic version of the missions of the starship Enterprise in his introduction to the TMP novelization.

As for continuity/canon errors, I could give a rat's rear. As long as the story is entertaining and challenges our characters emotionally, then canon can go out the window as far as I am concerned (I may be a rare case, I know).

I think that this new movie will be like the current run of Superman comics (Action, Supes, etc.) where you just have to know that he comes from Krypton (which origin doesn't matter, at least to me) and he's Clark Kent and married to Lois Lane. The writers also seem to be picking and choosing what works from all the incarnations of Supes, including the films (crystal tech, etc.).

I hope this is what the movie will do, not be bogged down in 40 years of details but just take what is needed to tell the story. All the audience needs to know is that there's a Captain named Kirk, a Vulcan named Spock, a doctor named Bones and a ship called Enterprise. It will look and feel similar but also new like how comic book characters stay the same and change with the times.