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Warped9 said:
They're going to have a lot of the regular characters meeting before they served on the Enterprise, particularly Kirk and Spock when it's bloody apparent onscreen that they didn't meet until Kirk took command of the E.
What's 'onscreen' so far is pretty much out the door when it comes to Trek XI.
Did you not know that?
Well if you were doing a "reboot" like say BSG would you cast Nimoy to play "Spock"...
We have every reason to believe this is "in-continuity".
As others have covered there's no reason to think Kirk and Spock didn't know each other before Enterprise. Also isn't it normal for a Capitan to select crewmembers based on having some previous experience with them - at least it seems to work that way in Star Trek.
Sharr
Well, you might cherry-pick some things and leave the rest behind .
Obviously, the ship will be named "Enterprise", right?
I don't see that as the same thing. If they were going to go th BSG 'reboot' route they'd be kinda of dumb to place Nimoy in the familiar role of Spock...
ok sure I'd use him for a cameo as another person but not "Spock" and we do know for a fact he's Spock that right there is enough to tell us this is "in-continuity".
Consider for a moment. Do you think Leonard Nimoy would sign on to play a "New Version of Spock", a totally unfamiliar character (One he wouldn't have had any hand in building) we've not come to know? I don't, such a notion doesn't strike me as a thing that would get Nimoy to come out retirement for.
The notion that "Its the same Spock in a rebooted universe" really doesn't make sense either.
Sharr
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^^I agree.
It would be like casting 60+ year old Dirk Benedict as Old Starbuck in a 'nuBSG' film thinking back to the days when he was a buff blonde woman.
^^I agree.
It would be like casting 60+ year old Dirk Benedict as Old Starbuck in a 'nuBSG' film thinking back to the days when he was a buff blonde woman.
I was actually hoping that they'd have had Dirk Benedict in the new show... playing the second-in-command, an old warhorse, womanizing drunk... who has a bad relationship with the new "hotshot" pilot, who just happens to be his daughter.Jackson_Roykirk said:
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^^I agree.
It would be like casting 60+ year old Dirk Benedict as Old Starbuck in a 'nuBSG' film thinking back to the days when he was a buff blonde woman.
Oh, wait... that's damned nearly what they DID do...
Why? It's a play to the fans. Why would it be dumb?
I disagree with your conclusion.
I don't know what Nimoy would do, or why. I don't think it's a 'totally unfamiliar character' since it's a character named Spock who (I presume) is the Vulcan science office aboard the Starship Enterprise.
Why not? They obviously want to win over some of the classic Trek fans...and it's put Trek in the news in a way it hasn't been in a long while. Does having Nimoy in the film slave them to pay attention to every little detail in hundreds of hours of TV Trek, as well as all the other movies? I sure as hell hope not.
Jackson_Roykirk said:
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^^I agree.
It would be like casting 60+ year old Dirk Benedict as Old Starbuck in a 'nuBSG' film thinking back to the days when he was a buff blonde woman.
That's disregarding the fact that they've gotten Quinto who strongly resembles a TOS Spock. They didn't really do that with nuBSG, and obviously not with Starbuck. This would be more like having John Colicos (were he alive) play an older Baltar looking back at the past from the future. If the current guy looked a little more like Colicos did back then, why not?
Corran Horn said:
Jackson_Roykirk said:
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^^I agree.
It would be like casting 60+ year old Dirk Benedict as Old Starbuck in a 'nuBSG' film thinking back to the days when he was a buff blonde woman.
That's disregarding the fact that they've gotten Quinto who strongly resembles a TOS Spock. They didn't really do that with nuBSG, and obviously not with Starbuck. This would be more like having John Colicos (were he alive) play an older Baltar looking back at the past from the future. If the current guy looked a little more like Colicos did back then, why not?
From what you just said that doesn't read as "reboot" at all. Just a flashback in the same timeline.
No it doesn't slave them to every hour of tv but at the same time the expectation is its the same Spock in the same Star Trek Universe that we've all come to know.
Sharr
Well then it does, doesn't it? If it's the same Spock from the series then all the other Trek series happened in this same continuity that this film represents.
That need not "slave them to it", one can be creative and write within the same universe without feeling the need to trackback to everything ever mentioned on screen.
It just strikes me as a distraction not to mention convaluded idea to have "Spock" but not the same "Spock" that was established over 79 episodes and some movies. And then have this "rebooted Spock" be played by the same actor from the "first universe" in a whole new "rebooted Universe". I mean why bother? This isn't Sliders or DC's Infinity Crises...
I got confused just writing all that.
Trust me if this was a reboot, they wouldn't make it so hard on themselves by adding an additional confusion here by using Nimoy to play a variation (aside from his age) of the Spock that he didn't all ready establish in previous Trek and grow into over the years. it would be a whole clean break.
Sharr
Star Trek ( 2008 ) Continuity Errors
1. ILM, even being huge fans of TOS, will have the caps rotateing the wrong way and be too dim...
2. The subtle Aztecing on the Enterprise isn't subtle enough....
3. The shuttle is more like a modern mini-van then a 1960's Ford Van....
4. The Bridge is too detailed....
5. Not enough bright colors....
- W -
* I won't say these, but you bet others will at some point *
1. ILM, even being huge fans of TOS, will have the caps rotateing the wrong way and be too dim...
2. The subtle Aztecing on the Enterprise isn't subtle enough....
3. The shuttle is more like a modern mini-van then a 1960's Ford Van....
4. The Bridge is too detailed....
5. Not enough bright colors....
- W -
* I won't say these, but you bet others will at some point *
Temis the Vorta said:
The new Spock is half an inch too tall. I'm boycotting this garbage!...
You bring up an interesting point (albeit in jest). IF Nimoy and Quinto have a scene together (and that is a big IF), will they be shown the same size through artificial means...or maybe Nimoy's relative shortness (1 1/2" shorter according to IMDb, but looks more like 2 1/2" to me) can be explained by Old Spock's advanced age.
I personally don't care, but I'm sure, as Temis suggested, some naysayer will cry "look - they're supposed be the same guy and they're not even the same height!!"
EDIT: Added smiley from Temis' original post to clarify that she was being sarcastic.
It's absolutely true that cartilage mass does decrease with age. That means that your spine shortens, your knees, ankles, and so forth shorten... you can lose quite a bit of height, not even considering "stooping." This is the main benefit of using HGH... it stimulates cartilage growth, making the joints and skeletal structure more resilient and thus allowing the person to be more robust at an older age.
Maybe this just means that Vulcans have more cartilage and thus get even shorter with age than humans do?
Maybe this just means that Vulcans have more cartilage and thus get even shorter with age than humans do?
To be honest, I really don’t care what they do with the next Star Trek movie. I’ve already got on DVD all that remains good to me as far as this franchise is concerned. If the movie is good, it’ll get added to my collection, if not, then it won’t. I am not going to lose any sleep over this.
However, I am going to keep reading all this because its fun speculating, and quite frankly I am excited about new Star Trek. I still think it would be cool to recast Kirk as a female. She then gets caught in the act with an Andorian by Spock who happens to be going through Pon Far (or however you spell it). Spock then gets insanely jealous and pulls the Andorians antennas off thus starting a war with the Adorians which is against all canon.
Really.
However, I am going to keep reading all this because its fun speculating, and quite frankly I am excited about new Star Trek. I still think it would be cool to recast Kirk as a female. She then gets caught in the act with an Andorian by Spock who happens to be going through Pon Far (or however you spell it). Spock then gets insanely jealous and pulls the Andorians antennas off thus starting a war with the Adorians which is against all canon.
Really.
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