The Excelsior wasn't in Federation space, it was returning to Federation space after the Beta Quadrant mission. The Federation did not have much territory in the BQ in the late 23rd century.
Praxis explosion wierdness
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Furthermore, if an explosion in Qo'nos orbit, (Qo'nos presumably being the spatial center point or roughly so of the empire), could smack the Excelsior around like that when it was in UFP space, it's likely that the shockwave would still have been powerful enough by the time it reached Earth, Vulcan etc. to have effects at least visible on the ground on those planets. If not more than that. Unless the KE of that period was a lot smaller than the UFP.
...But it would be an incredible coincidence if Earth happened to lie on the path of that planar wave.
'Course, it was an even greater coincidence that the Excelsior happened to lie on that plane...
In any case, how much damage could the wave do? It was merely a couple of hundred meters wide at very best, and did not as much as char the hull of the Excelsior.
Timo Saloniemi
'Course, it was an even greater coincidence that the Excelsior happened to lie on that plane...
In any case, how much damage could the wave do? It was merely a couple of hundred meters wide at very best, and did not as much as char the hull of the Excelsior.
Timo Saloniemi
In the Kahless novel, there's a bit where Kahless (the Kahless of antiquity) is sitting outside at night watching Praxis rise.
I probably don't have to tell you that novels are non-canon.
And every other novel mentioning Praxis seems to go by the idea that it orbits/orbited the Klingon ancestral homeworld.
Onscreen data is less explicit. Do we have a scene from the surface of the Klingon planet that would show a moon up there in the sky? ENT might have featured one, say, in "Bounty"...
Timo Saloniemi
Onscreen data is less explicit. Do we have a scene from the surface of the Klingon planet that would show a moon up there in the sky? ENT might have featured one, say, in "Bounty"...
Timo Saloniemi
I never gave it much thought before. Knee-jerk, off the top of my head:
1) If the shockwave was a subspace phenomena, then Excelsior may have been more vulnerable than the planet because starships, unlike planets, use subspace fields of their own, and
2) If the shockwave was a subspace phenomena, then the wave may have been FTL. The FX didn't look like it, but phaser beams sometimes look STL too.
Marian
1) If the shockwave was a subspace phenomena, then Excelsior may have been more vulnerable than the planet because starships, unlike planets, use subspace fields of their own, and
2) If the shockwave was a subspace phenomena, then the wave may have been FTL. The FX didn't look like it, but phaser beams sometimes look STL too.
Marian
Y'know if the novels are worthless then why do they get published by established publishing houses, have "Star Trek" on them, describe trademarked characters ships planets and events created by Roddenberry, Berman, Braga, Behr etc, and not get sued by paramount...
It doesn't seem to make sense for them to be a part of ST, and yet not a part of ST at the same time.
I'm aware they are regarded as noncanon but I think it's a bit silly.
I'm getting sidetracked with this though, sorry.
It doesn't seem to make sense for them to be a part of ST, and yet not a part of ST at the same time.
I'm aware they are regarded as noncanon but I think it's a bit silly.
I'm getting sidetracked with this though, sorry.
Why should licensed tie-ins inform the direction of the parent series? The authors of ST novels and comics, who usually do a great job, and are guided by Paula Block at CBS Consumer Products, but they are still far removed from the thought processes of the past and current producers of Star Trek proper.
Hence, trivia from tie-ins usually stays non canonical trivia. (There have been exceptions, eg. "Hikaru" Sulu; some Klingon phrases, etc.)
It would be more than "a bit silly" if JJ Abrams had to read every ST novel and comic ever written to make sure he didn't make errors in the new movie.
It would make more sense to use a "valid unless contradicted by higher canon" scheme rather than "these aren't canon at all and might as well be fanfiction" which is what the current ST policy re: the novels amounts to.
That would allow the novels to fill in gaps without the producers of shows having to check that it matches what the novels say.
That would allow the novels to fill in gaps without the producers of shows having to check that it matches what the novels say.
Which is precisely why novels should remain non-canon. Given the sheer volume of novels out there people shouldn't have to read a few hundred books to get the full story of their beloved universe they were introduced to through the TV.
On the Praxis thing:
Firstly it's silly that the explosion occured so 2-dimensionaly in the first place. Secondly it had to of been a subspace phenomenon because it reached Excelsior in something much shorter than an eon and thirdly who's to say that Q'Onos was in the same "plane" as the explosion?
Why is that any sillier than how every time you see rings around a planet the rings are in a single orbital plane?
It certainly had to be some faster-than-light effect, although subspace isn't established. Anyway, given the references to dilithium and its ties to warp drive it's easy to suppose there's some connection there.
Valtane said it's a "subspace shockwave"
Because, and this is coming from IIRC, planetary rings are dust, rocks, and other space shumutz captured in a planet's gravity and since gravity is strongest at the equator planetary rings are along that plane.
Explosions, however, occur 3-Dimensionaly.
This was a building/plant that blew up on the planet's surface. It would've been a 3-dimensional explosion (as partialy evidenced that it took half the planet with it) and not of had a shockwave that traveled along a plane. A plane that conviently exsisted on the same one as Excelsior. It's the common mistake of Trek's creative staff thinking two-dimensionaly.
Because the Enterprise is a exploration ship too and would have such equipment as well?
An unecessairy, expository, bullshit line.
As it's not too logical a leap to just imagine that the Enterprise had the equipment onboard anyway.
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