*Potential Spoilers* What will the Alternate Enterprise-A look like

[Gonzo]

The technology of the Kelvinverse appears to be way above the level of the Prime timeline's. So any ship that looked like the TOS or TMP Enterprise is probably equivalent to decades-old designs in the Kelvinverse.

Perhaps in one of the next films we will find out what happened to make the realities so different, was it mainly Nero's arrival and actions that triggered the change or were there earlier events and if so what were they.

For instance is this the reality were Zefram told the Vulcans about the Borg at the end of First Contact, that would be a good example of an event that could have changed Vulcan and Earth's approach to technology advancement in a big way.

That's the great thing about alternate time lines and reboots, the scriptwriters and cgi people are free of the constraints placed upon them from what has gone before.

 

[nx1701g]

I know it isn't canon but Star Trek Online just introduced the Kelvin timeline Constitution. In its description they list it as equivalent to 25th Century Starfleet designs.

 

[TheSubCommander]

Maybe I'm unrealistic, but one of the very few disappointments that I had in the movie was that I was hoping the new Enterprise would be the classic or motion picture refit version. I was thinking It would be one more nod to the 50th anniversary

The technology of the Kelvinverse appears to be way above the level of the Prime timeline's. So any ship that looked like the TOS or TMP Enterprise is probably equivalent to decades-old designs in the Kelvinverse.

Yeah, I agree. The TOS and TMP designs are less advanced, so making the Enterprise-A look exactly like the Prime universe would be a technological step back (though they are my favorite two ships of all time).

Not to mention, in a cut scene from STID, Admiral Marcus had a TOS connie hanging in his office, so if you count that as canon, they already had a TOS Connie in the Alternate timeline.

That all said, overall I am happier with the Alternate Enterprise-A than I am with the Alternate Enterprise.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I think the nu-Trek Enterprise looks really good from what I saw.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Perhaps in one of the next films we will find out what happened to make the realities so different, was it mainly Nero's arrival and actions that triggered the change or were there earlier events and if so what were they.

I always assumed that the crew of the Kelvin took detailed scans of the Narada (Nero's ship), and Starfleet seized upon those scans to upgrade its technology.

Yes, I am aware of Simon Pegg's recent comments, but I'm trying not to put too much stock in that.

 

[Gonzo]

I know it isn't canon but Star Trek Online just introduced the Kelvin timeline Constitution. In its description they list it as equivalent to 25th Century Starfleet designs.

25th century you say, hmm while the size of the Kelvin time line Enterprise is comparable to ships of he 25th century I was not expecting the overall technology to be the same level, something very important must have happened in the past to boost technology tiers so much, a changed First Contact could do it, especially if there was Borg technology left behind.

On saying that it's only Star Trek online so it's not a big deal really.

 

[Gonzo]

I always assumed that the crew of the Kelvin took detailed scans of the Narada (Nero's ship), and Starfleet seized upon those scans to upgrade its technology.

Yes, I am aware of Simon Pegg's recent comments, but I'm trying not to put too much stock in that.

An event like Nero's arrival would indeed have an effect but it was only 20 years ago which is not far back enough to account for all the changes, I would expect there to be something else further back.

Like the Vulcans turning up on Earth for First Contact and being told about the Borg with perhaps some Borg tech left behind by accident by the Enterprise E.

Never mind Pegg's comments he is the scriptwriter but only for one film and as such he doesn't decide where it goes.

 

[Corran Horn]

I noticed the Kelvin-verse Enterprise-A had some of the prime universe livery on the side of the secondary hull - specifically, the right/white "United Federation of Planets" striping and arrowhead.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

When Nero entered the 23rd century, he brought 25th century technology with him.

This accounts for the huge cosmetic changes we see. We don't actually know that the new ships are more powerful than the old ones - we can hardly compare their capabilities. But assuming they are, the most likely explanation is the dissemination of 25th century science, two centuries early. Even a simple replicator or tricorder or display monitor would have circuitry and senors far in advance of the 23rd century, with huge corollary side effects on technological advancement. Reverse engineering even a simple communicator could change history unimaginably.

The two main beneficiaries of this reverse engineering were the two superpowers.

1). - The United Federation of Planets had sensor data, and perhaps debris, from the Narada.

2). - The Klingon Empire actually had possession of the Narada, until it was recovered by Nero.

The Romulan Star Empire might have received transmissions directly from the Narada's database, depending on the crew's thinking. I imagine everyone else gained access via trade, as the new forms of computation and circuitry spread throughout space in innocuous new civilian devices, reaching the Tholians, Orions, Gorn, Breen, Cardassians, etc.

 

[Kemaiku]

He brought 25th century technology with him.

The Narada traveled back from 2387, the 24th century. She's also quite an old mining rig by the look's of it, probably built in the middle of the century.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

Ah fair enough, but you get my general point.

154 years is the same amount of time that separates Bonaparte and Sputnik

 

[Kemaiku]

Not really, the Narada is a government built mining platform, waaaaay below the general standard of technology from the TNG era. She'd be several rungs down from the prototype warbirds that destroyed the Enterprise-C.

Her asteriod smashing missles and heavily reinforced hull to protect from impacts are all that saved her in the end.

What caused Starfleet's steroidal phase is pure paranoia arms race mentality. Say what you will, it gets shit done.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

Even reverse engineering a mining platform's technology would be a radical alteration to history; it would be one of the most extreme examples of a butterfly effect possible. Think of Napoleon having access to the technology from a British passanger ship from just 100 years later, as an analogy - the warships he could construct with gasoline engines and steel hulls would destroy the world's surface fleets; the electrical systems would set his communications abilities a century ahead. Technology isn't something isolated; it has millions of spin-off effects that are just impossible to track; things developed by NASA are now present in every electronic device on the planet.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I know it isn't canon but Star Trek Online just introduced the Kelvin timeline Constitution. In its description they list it as equivalent to 25th Century Starfleet designs.

And I call bullshit on that, otherwise the Federation would have handed Nero his ass at Vulcan.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

Since STO uses stuff from the countdown comics in its backstory, it should be pointed out that the Narada belted the asses of the ships of the late 24th century just as easily as it did the vessels it encountered in the alternate reality.

In fact the only ship to successfully defend itself from the Narada has been the USS Kelvin. Once the attack resumed on the Kelvin it managed to survive longer even with multiple impacts from the Narada's weapons. Later on the Enterprise takes one impact and suffers enough damage that Sulu has to point out they may not survive another hit.

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[Tuskin38]

IDW is doing post-Beyond comics IIRC but unless they give them images of the -A, they'll probably just re-use the design from the other movies

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Since STO uses stuff from the countdown comics in its backstory, it should be pointed out that the Narada belted the asses of the ships of the late 24th century just as easily as it did the vessels it encountered in the alternate reality.

And then STO has you fight Romulan WARSHIPS retrofited with that tech and you kick their asses, therefore 25th century tech > Narada.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

IDW is doing post-Beyond comics IIRC but unless they give them images of the -A, they'll probably just re-use the design from the other movies

Is the artwork good enough to see the difference?

I ask because I have bad memories of 80's DC and Marvel ST comics where you couldn't tell you were looking at a ship, much less which one.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

And then STO has you fight Romulan WARSHIPS retrofited with that tech and you kick their asses, therefore 25th century tech > Narada.

Right, because it is a game. The game sets you up as the hero, therefore you have hero armour. Like any of the shows you're invincible until you're told you are not. The game treats the usage of the technology built into the Narada as deadly serious, even if it's really just a road bump to us. Wondered why the Iconians were such a deadly threat, yet our characters chew through them like any other day at the office? It is no different, because it is simply a game.

 

[gerbil]

Right, because it is a game. The game sets you up as the hero, therefore you have hero armour. Like any of the shows you're invincible until you're told you are not. The game treats the usage of the technology built into the Narada as deadly serious, even if it's really just a road bump to us. Wondered why the Iconians were such a deadly threat, yet our characters chew through them like any other day at the office? It is no different, because it is simply a game.

In the Countdown comics, the Narada was able to dispatch 24th century ships just as easily.

In the Countdown comics, the Narada was a small minining ship that was infused with Borg technology, "assimilated," and grew to the ship of the size we saw.