Post TMP novels

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  1. EnriqueH

    EnriqueH Commodore Commodore

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    Just started rereading Ex Machina and I think I’m going to enjoy it a lot more the second go around. Just finished TMP novel which I enjoyed (admittedly the sex stuff was a little weird at times). And I just rewatched “For the World Is Hollow” in preparation.
     
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    Excellent.

    After you read, don't forget the author's annotations. ie. Beware of spoilers!
    https://christopherlbennett.wordpre...iction/tos-ex-machina/ex-machina-annotations/
     
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  3. Christopher

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    I recommend reading the annotations after reading the whole book, since sometimes they contain spoilers.
     
  4. EnriqueH

    EnriqueH Commodore Commodore

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    More than halfway through my second reading of Ex Machina and I’m really enjoying it. I’m definitely looking forward to the other books set immediately after TMP.
     
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  5. Reanok

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    You may like Rules of Engagement by Peter Moorewood. It's a really interesting book with Kirk having to deal with Klingons and evacuating over 500 Federation diplomats with help two other Starship crews.And being harassed by the alien buzzing the other ships with their shuttles.
     
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  6. EnriqueH

    EnriqueH Commodore Commodore

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    Read it YEARS ago. Like around 1990.

    I need to read it again. Is it set immediately after TMP?
     
  7. EnriqueH

    EnriqueH Commodore Commodore

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    Christopher, what do you recommend I read after Ex Machina? Mere Anarchy?
     
  8. EnriqueH

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    Somebody give me a list of stories to read immediately post-TMP in chronological order!!!!!

    NOW!!!!!
     
  9. Christopher

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    As far as my own post-TMP fiction goes, Mere Anarchy is the next one after Ex Machina, yes, followed by DTI: Forgotten History.
     
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  10. Desert Kris

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    Ok, so to return to this, I don't think I've seen anyone mention Covenant of the Crown, by Howard Weinstein. It's come up twice as a recommendation in a review thread I post in periodically; more recently after finishing Deep Domain, but also earlier as a book to include for transitioning out of an older novel continuity towards the more modern novel continuity. I got the impression Covenant was meant to be post-TMP. It was mentioned that a character from Covenant gets picked up by later authors...

    From what I gather, the L.A. Graf writing team bring back or mention the character from Covenant. And I've got the impression that their novels are post-TMP, but I haven't read them yet, so you might want to check Memory Alpha or Beta, other readers here might be able to confirm the setting for those books. Those books include Kobayashi Maru, Death Count, Ice Trap, Firestorm, and Shell Game (I probably got the order of those mixed up).

    I've also heard about a couple books call Prometheus Design, and Triangle. But I think those books just make readers angry or confused, or both.

    As far as getting them in chronological order, that seems like a difficult prospect, since the authors weren't really matching their books with each other as an ongoing progressive series.

    There's always a literverse guide site: https://startreklitverse.com/the-original-series.php. Just look for Ex Machina and the books right below it could be a possible starting point. Not everyone will agree with some of the books on that list, but there are a lot of options. There's no perfect answer for which novels go where in a post-TMP chronology.
     
  11. Christopher

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    Oh, definitely. Right off the bat, in its first chapter, it makes a point of referring to "Dr. Christine Chapel and Lieutenant Commanders Uhura and Sulu" (though for some reason it omits Chekov's rank in the same paragraph) and has the characters talk about getting older -- McCoy is worried about gray hairs and Chekov is told "you aren't twenty-two anymore."

    Indeed, it's the first novel that was ever set post-TMP (despite the covers of the previous couple), which makes it interesting that it still fits into modern continuity, as least as of the last time I read it. It's the oldest novel I still count in my personal Trek continuity.


    Yes, Michael Howard of security (whom I assume Howie named after himself, though I'd bet L.A. Graf coined his first name in honor of Michael Jan Friedman). I've referenced the character once or twice in my own books.


    Yes, those are all post-TMP. The release order was:

    #47 The Kobayashi Maru by Julia Ecklar (not to be confused with Enterprise: Kobayashi Maru by Mangels & Martin)
    #60 Ice Trap by L.A. Graf (Ecklar, Melissa Crandall, and Karen Rose Cercone)
    #62 Death Count by Graf (Ecklar & Cercone)
    #63 Shell Game by Crandall
    #68 Firestorm by Graf (Ecklar & Cercone)

    Though I think they pretty much stand alone storywise. This was in the no-continuity era, so while the books have a consistent feel, style, and approach to the characters, I don't think they explicitly reference each other's events.
     
  12. Reanok

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    Rules of Engagement takes place after TMP and some where between the The Wrath of Khan time frame.Another good novel is The Pandora principle by Carolyn Clowes. It takes place after the motion picture and before the wrath Khan.
     
  13. EnriqueH

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    Just finished Ex Machina and loved it.

    Question: should I read ALL of Mere Anarchy next or just Christopher’s story?

    Im on a massive post TMP kick but I also want to be able to follow Christopher’s Mere Anarchy story.
     
  14. KRAD

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    I think you should read all of Mere Anarchy anyhow, 'cause it's excellent, and I'm not just saying that because I conceived, edited, and coordinated the series. :lol:

    More seriously, each installment of MA takes place in a discrete era of TOS (pre-"Where No Man Has Gone Before," during the five-year mission, between the 5YM and the first movie, between the first two movies, between the fifth and sixth movies, and after the Generations prelude), and while each story continues the ongoing narrative of the planet Mestiko, each story also stands on its own with a beginning, a middle, and an end. So you can read Christopher's story without reading the others, yes. And it works very nicely as a tale that bridges the gap between the first two feature films.
     
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    Have you read Mere Anarchy before? If not, I would say read the whole thing. Like @KRAD said, each one is it's own story, but I think it wouldn't have quite as much impact if you weren't already familiar with what had been going on with Mestiko. It's also a good series overall, and I'd definitely recommend the whole thing.
     
  16. Stevil2001

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    Mere Anarchy is definitely one of those things that's greater than the sum of its parts. Each installment is fine, and one is great, but as a whole, they're excellent. (I actually think Christopher's is the weakest, suffering from one of his characteristic attempts to span lots of time.)
     
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    I'm in the about 2/3 of the way through Mere Anarchy now. And I too recommend reading the entire saga. Like KRAD noted, each story is self contained to a large extent. Each story leaves a thread for the next one to build off of, but it's not 'necessary' to read them all. Though I have no idea why you wouldn't.

    I'm actually on the opposite side though. I just finished Christopher's story and so far his was my favorite. They've all been good so far though. I can't say I really have any complaints about any of them.

    Maybe part of it is I'm a 'doom and gloom' guy. For instance I love those 1970s futuristic dystopian films like "The Omega Man", "Rollerball", "Logan's Run" among others. And his story covers a period where Mestiko hits rock bottom, going through their own dystopian period. At the same time it ends on a positive note. But as in real life, sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can start climbing back up.
     
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  18. theblitz

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    The Prometheus Design is by FAR the worst Star Trek book I have read. And I have read just short of 300.
    I have also read Triangle but doesn't remember it. Looked up the synopsis and that didn't trigger a memory. So I guess it must have been okish but not special.
     
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    https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/tos...d-myrna-culbreath-review-thread.287549/page-2

    It was Average, but also felt like a script that had been turned into a novel quickly. Bony with very little meat.
     
  20. Christopher

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    Funny, I thought Prometheus was the least dire of Marshak & Culbreath's four novels.