Post Nemesis

[dispatcher812]

I don't agree with Star trek 2009 being part of canon as we know it. I know that Spock Prime is from the Timeline we all know. However if 2009 is canon then the rest of the Star Trek Universe would not exist. All the episodes having anything to do with Vulcan (the original planet not a new one), or all the Vulcan crew members etc, could not exsist. Savvik may not exsist, hence TUC would not happen.........

My point is I think we need a new canon for what happened in 2009 and beyound. As mentioned before Its a reboot, how about a canon rebot?

There is that headache again.

 

[dispatcher812]

Well since Spock prime knows when and where the supernova will occur, there is still time to figure out a way either with red matter or something else to stop it from happening in the first place, which will change the timeline again. (boy I hate time travel, gives me a headache).

Why would that change the timeline again? The timeline has already changed, and we currently have no knowledge of future events in the alternate timeline. We know that that star will go supernova in 2387, but that event has not yet occurred from the point of view of nuTrek canon. Anything that happens here on out in nuTrek is part of a new canon.

But you're right, since we know its going to happen, there is time to prevent it.

It would change the timeline agian because if Spock prevents it, then Startek 2009 would not happen....

 

[tighr]

My point is I think we need a new canon for what happened in 2009 and beyound. As mentioned before Its a reboot, how about a canon rebot?

I'm good with that, and I hope the novel authors are as well. The novels should continue in the prime universe canon that we all know, and if anyone wants to write novels for post-Star Trek then they should be clearly identified as taking place in a nuCanon.

It would change the timeline agian because if Spock prevents it, then Startek 2009 would not happen....

Ahh, I see your issue. But the fact of the matter is that it already happened in the prime universe. Too late. If they happen to prevent it in the nuTrek universe, that has no impact on the Prime universe. Spock Prime is stuck in the past, unless he figures out some way of going to the Prime future, but the Prime Future that he's from is inaccessible from where he is now.

It's all very Back to the Future Part II.

 

[Sindatur]

I don't agree with Star trek 2009 being part of canon as we know it. I know that Spock Prime is from the Timeline we all know. However if 2009 is canon then the rest of the Star Trek Universe would not exist. All the episodes having anything to do with Vulcan (the original planet not a new one), or all the Vulcan crew members etc, could not exsist. Savvik may not exsist, hence TUC would not happen.........

My point is I think we need a new canon for what happened in 2009 and beyound. As mentioned before Its a reboot, how about a canon rebot?

There is that headache again.

Yes, for the new Timeline, it is new canon, but, the old timeline is untouched, it's still there.

Just like the Mirror Universe is still there.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I don't agree with Star trek 2009 being part of canon as we know it. I know that Spock Prime is from the Timeline we all know. However if 2009 is canon then the rest of the Star Trek Universe would not exist. All the episodes having anything to do with Vulcan (the original planet not a new one), or all the Vulcan crew members etc, could not exsist. Savvik may not exsist, hence TUC would not happen.........

My point is I think we need a new canon for what happened in 2009 and beyound. As mentioned before Its a reboot, how about a canon rebot?

There is that headache again.

It's an "in-universe reboot", working as both a sequel to Nemesis from Old Spock's point of view, but a fresh start for everyone else.

According to the TNG episode "Parallels", "Anything that can happen, does happen, in alternate quantum realities" - hence, in one history, Nero appears in 2233 (and Spock in 2258) and shakes things up, and in the other, the history that led to them falling into the black hole, they don't.

This is what the writers have been claiming since before the movie's release, and it's what the novels (like "Watching the Clock", which manages to believably explain how STXI's time travel led to an alternate parallel history, but prior Trek time travels didn't) are using to continue the adventures of the TNG/DS9/VOY crews, and tell new TOS stories in the original TV series timeline.

 

[Timo]

Trek is just exploring an alternate viewpoint here. Originally, the viewpoint was exclusively on starship Enterprise. Then they experimented with watching the universe through DS9. Then they looked from the Delta Quadrant. And then they decided to follow an alternate timeline.

The shift of focus didn't introduce anything truly novel as such. Space stations had always existed when the Enterprise was the focus. Delta Quadrant had been there and had been mentioned or visited a couple of times when the adventures took place in Alpha. And parallel timelines had been in temporary focus before one of them was chosen as the permanent one...

Doesn't mean the viewpoint couldn't return to one of the previous ones, or go elsewhere still. Prequels, sequels, looking through the eyes of a former adversary, exploring alternate realities, that's all been done. But there could still be dramatic conventions to be exploited, including some that are even more unconventional than the alternate reality one. That's science fiction for you...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Eckauskas]

I think we're still to address the most crucial point of this whole discussion.







































































































Is the film actually worth watching?

 

[tighr]

Is the film actually worth watching?

I enjoyed it. It wasn't menacingly terrible. Better than Insurrection, so it holds that the even numbered Trek films are inherently more watchable than the odd numbered Trek films.

 

[davejames]

I found Insurrection to be a lot more fun and enjoyable myself. The characters feel more like their old TNG selves, and there's much more of a plot to the story (flawed though it may be).

Nemesis was just so damn dark and dreary, the character moments are few and far between, and there was hardly any plot to it at all (they discover B-4, go to Romulus, and then chase Shinzon into a nebula where they battle. The end).

That said, I STILL prefer it to Generations, which to me is now the worst of the lot. That one is just unbearably cheesy and ridiculous, with so many terrible story decisions, that it just annoys the crap out of me anytime I try to watch it now.

 

[CaptainMatt]

I agree, Insurrection had some of TNG's finest moments. Nemesis and Generations I just cannot get into watching anymore, due to overexposure and not enough story to hold them up all that well. So sorry but that is my current opinion.

 

[Tina Lawton]

It would change the timeline agian because if Spock prevents it, then Startek 2009 would not happen....

And that is a bad thing why?

 

[Eckauskas]

Just watched this, as it was on TV before Match Of The Day.

For me, the supernova is from the Hobus system. It fits the timeline suggested by STO.