Reading the bit about Rios and the Ibn Majid that way, it almost makes me think Rios (or somebody else close to him) killed the captain during a mutiny. IDK else why the ships records would be totally erased.
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I really, really doubt Rios murdered his captain during a mutiny - there is no way he'd be free to roam the universe in his own ship if he had. His trauma was clearly established as grief over witnessing the violent death of a captain he idolised and he was bitter over the erasure of the Ibn Majid's existence, as if he felt it were unjust. None of that speaks to 'I mutinied and killed my captain'. And why would Starfleet erase the existence of a ship whose crew mutinied? They didn't erase the existence of the Shenzhou after Burnham's mutiny. But you know which ship did have its existence erased from all records? Discovery, after its involvement in the development of shady technology and time travel shenanigans. Whatever happened to the Ibn Majid is far more likely to have been along those lines than a mutiny in which Rios participated.
Agreed. Curiously, where did Rios manage to get the tech to create all those holograms who help him running the La Sienna? Did he obtain the tech during his service at the Ibn Majid?
Unless Starfleet ruled that he was in the right to do so, like the captain had been taken over by some alien force or whatnot.
(Note, I don't think this actually happened, I'm just saying the way its written above, it kinda seems that way from the vantage point of my jump-to-conclusions mat)
Thanks for putting this together, Lord Hobbers! It's quite useful.
Don't make me pine for what never will be. I'd be happy to get just one more post-DS9 Cardassia novel with Julian finally waking up.
A Section 31 series is not complete without our man Bashir in it.
Plus his sidekick, a simple tailor named Garak
Don't make me pine for what never will be. I'd be happy to get just one more post-DS9 Cardassia novel with Julian finally waking up.
The hospitality hologram said he came with the basic installation, so I suspect the same is true of all the holograms - it could well be a selling point for that particular type of spaceship, that no crew is required because there is a hologram for every function, therefore perfect for the kind of one-man operation Rios has going. All Rios would have to do then is re-skin them, as it were, and maybe tweak the programming to suit his purposes.
I agree; the episode certainly seemed to imply this when Troi said that Thad was raised "on starships" rather than just a singular starship.
However, on Instagram, Michael Chabon said...
"He [Riker] retired from active duty when he was still captain of the Titan. Were he ever to be called up to active service, he would presumably retain that rank."
So this could mean that Troi briefly served on another starship and took Thad with her, while Riker remained on the Titan, or the phrase "raised on starships" could just be a colloquial form of speech in the 24th century that just means he was brought up in space rather than on a planet, and doesn't necessarily imply multiple ships. Who knows.
Yeah, I should have mentioned I enjoyed the background info put together by @Lord Hobbers . I won't see Picard until it comes out on Blu-Ray, presumably in about a year from now (judging from how long it takes Discovery to come out).
I did read "The Last Best Hope" however and it's good to see info from the comic books in the summary put together since I don't typically read comics. Therefore it's helpful to see the background info from the comics. The current showrunners seem to use a bit tighter continuity with their tie ins (though as "Desperate Hours" showed us that could change at any time) so it's nice to see everything all together as it now stands.
I did read "The Last Best Hope" however and it's good to see info from the comic books in the summary put together since I don't typically read comics. Therefore it's helpful to see the background info from the comics. The current showrunners seem to use a bit tighter continuity with their tie ins (though as "Desperate Hours" showed us that could change at any time) so it's nice to see everything all together as it now stands.
Quite so. Good point.
Excellent job, @Lord Hobbers !
My only objection is that, as I recall, it was the evacuation of Vejuro not Romulus that had not begun before Picard and his fleet got there.
My only objection is that, as I recall, it was the evacuation of Vejuro not Romulus that had not begun before Picard and his fleet got there.
I don't know how I feel about Worf in command of the Enterprise. It's a little too let's-promote-everyone-to-captain-y.
Plus, TNG had him going off toward his Klingon heritage in the series finale (yeah, yeah, he was older at the time), and DS9 set it up perfectly for that. In fact it set him on in a non-Starfleet direction. Not to mention that it said that his record was heretofore marked and that he'd never get a promotion after he abandoned his mission to save Jadzia (which I found a bit much, but there it was all the same).
Now, not only is he back in Starfleet, and promoted, and in the starship command track, and in command of a starship, but it's also the flagship Enterprise? ................too much. Save it for STO. [runs]
Plus, TNG had him going off toward his Klingon heritage in the series finale (yeah, yeah, he was older at the time), and DS9 set it up perfectly for that. In fact it set him on in a non-Starfleet direction. Not to mention that it said that his record was heretofore marked and that he'd never get a promotion after he abandoned his mission to save Jadzia (which I found a bit much, but there it was all the same).
Now, not only is he back in Starfleet, and promoted, and in the starship command track, and in command of a starship, but it's also the flagship Enterprise? ................too much. Save it for STO. [runs]
Much as I agree with you, the novel did handle it very well. Captain Clancy was dead against Picard's recommendation of Worf as his successor. She even brought up that DS9 episode of why he shouldn't be promoted to captain. However, Picard makes an excellent speech in his defence about how he is the only Klingon ever to join and how everyone expected him to fail, but how much wold it show Starfleet ion its best light to have a Klingon commanding its flagship etc etc (it was much better than I just made it sound).
Personally, I prefer the idea of Worf being a captain over either La Forge or Crusher. It makes more sense for Work to command a starship given his career than you would the other two. In the real navy, being an engineer or a doctor would rarely, if ever, lead you to command a vessel. It is a separate career path entirely. Warfare (tactical) officers, however, comprise a high percentage of command officers. Really hope we don't see La Forge as a captain. Let's leave that in an alternate Voyager timeline.
Thank you
Well, neither Romulus nor Vejuro had begun any evacuations, but yes it was Vejuro that the Verity went to. Apologies if I hadn't been clear enough about this in my timeline.
...much as I dislike the idea for all the reasons mentioned above, I do kind of like the idea that the new flagship is captained by a Klingon, specifically. Now can they finish joining the Federation?? and have former enemies be new — not mere allies — but brothers?
Also, yeah, Geordi’s an engineer or a writer. His being a captain was for a cameo while he directed the episode, and I think he’d be less interesting as a character in this regard if he were to show up next season. I found myself scratching my head at the prospect of him being a writer, of all things, but you know what? That might actually be kinda cool next season. Whatever happens might make excellent material for a book, too. Or is that holonovel?
Beverly shouldn’t be underestimated. She was a full commander on the Enterprise, took command when needed and fended off Borg, and she also did a stint or two as head of Starfleet Medical. I don’t know if her heart is in general exploration, but she could command another vessel easily enough.
I’m kind of disappointed she may not show up this season after all, but I hope they do something with her next season.
Also, yeah, Geordi’s an engineer or a writer. His being a captain was for a cameo while he directed the episode, and I think he’d be less interesting as a character in this regard if he were to show up next season. I found myself scratching my head at the prospect of him being a writer, of all things, but you know what? That might actually be kinda cool next season. Whatever happens might make excellent material for a book, too. Or is that holonovel?
Beverly shouldn’t be underestimated. She was a full commander on the Enterprise, took command when needed and fended off Borg, and she also did a stint or two as head of Starfleet Medical. I don’t know if her heart is in general exploration, but she could command another vessel easily enough.
I’m kind of disappointed she may not show up this season after all, but I hope they do something with her next season.
Untrue. An engineering background is actually preferred for command of nuclear vessels.
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