Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulcans

[xman]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

Since we know Pon Farr hits both genders, its logical to assume that Vulcan children are born to parental couples not once in 7 years, but twice. Unless the Vulcan only looks for a mate that shares a pon farr with his/her own.

Since bond mates are psychically linked it makes sense that they would 'cycle' together so I think probably only once every seven years and not twice.

The real question is, if it is their duty now to preserve and rebuild the Vulcan culture wouldn't discarding or superseding the tradition of Pon Farr be counter intuitive?

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[Jax]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

Whose going to give birth to baby Tuvok...

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

Whose going to give birth to baby Tuvok...

Spock and Uhura of course.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Re: Vulcan survivors

I don't think the 10,000 Vulcan survivors figure is entirely accurate. Vulcans have been in space for a long time. I'm sure they have many large and small colonies out there. Just a thought. Love the move

Old Spock says that he has found a planet in which to start "a colony." Singular. As in, the first and the only.

he is starting one colony.. dosnt mean there might have been another.

Well, then why wouldn't the surviving Vulcans (or at least some of them) just go to the existing colony(s)?

as for enterprise..
there was a monastery on anonther planet and it is possible it was rebuilt after it was destroyed.
but if the vulcans saw it as a planet for spiritual retreat there may not have been a large permanent population there.

there was another planet the vulcans had started to colonise and then left .

You know better than to reference 'Enterprise' when responding to my posts.

but yeah i see vulcan as a significant loss.
it was one of the founding worlds and one suspects a lot of important federation science came from there.

i also saw the vulcans as part of the balance that made up the founding federation planets.

they on one side.. with the humans in the middle and the more volatile andorians and tellarites on the other.

we know sarek carried a lot of influence among the other ambassadors..
will it still be so with so few vulcans left.?

Aside from Spock and Sarek, Vulcans have been pretty two-dimensional and haven't really contributed much to the mythos beyond being part of the background.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: Vulcan survivors

Well, actually Tuvok was a standup comedian.

Seriously, I think he was more sarcastic and funny than most of the other chracters on Voyager (Except the HoloDoc of course) put together. And I could really relate to the guy: it seemed he was the sole character who geniunely hated Neelix.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Re: Vulcan survivors

And I could really relate to the guy: it seemed he was the sole character who geniunely hated Neelix.

Tuvok could have killed Neelix, but chose not to.

For that, I can never forgive him.

 

[Overgeeked]

Re: Vulcan survivors

Oops.

 

[Overgeeked]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

I don't think the 10,000 Vulcan survivors figure is entirely accurate. Vulcans have been in space for a long time. I'm sure they have many large and small colonies out there. Just a thought. Love the move

Old Spock says that he has found a planet in which to start "a colony." Singular. As in, the first and the only.

"A colony." Singular, implying "one," yes. But not "the first" and certainly not "the only."

"A" is an indefinite article. Implying "one of many." Not "one and only." For "one and only" you really want a definite article, as in "the."

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

I don't think the 10,000 Vulcan survivors figure is entirely accurate. Vulcans have been in space for a long time. I'm sure they have many large and small colonies out there. Just a thought. Love the move

Old Spock says that he has found a planet in which to start "a colony." Singular. As in, the first and the only.

"A colony." Singular, implying "one," yes. But not "the first" and certainly not "the only."

"A" is an indefinite article. Implying "one of many." Not "one and only." For "one and only" you really want a definite article, as in "the."

I can't imagine that Old Spock would say, "I'm going to start The Colony."

That is beyond awkward.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

Isn't akwardness the whole point of Star Trek dialogue?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: Vulcan survivors

I believe the Vulcans are pretty isolationist. T'Pol remarks that they don't do things for "curiosity" like humans and there may not have been many logical reasons to colonize once "because it's there" is ruled out.

Aside from Spock and Sarek, Vulcans have been pretty two-dimensional and haven't really contributed much to the mythos beyond being part of the background.

You forget Soval, he was very interesting. Mistral was also an unusual character.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

Isn't akwardness the whole point of Star Trek dialogue?

Pretty much, yeah.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Re: Vulcan survivors

You forget Soval, he was very interesting. Mistral was also an unusual character.

I did forget Soval.

But only because he was not at all interesting.

As far as the other guy, I have no idea who you are taking about, which tends to minimize the fascinating aspect of the character.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

He had pointy ears and funny eyebrows. Which is very fascinating.

 

[Aragorn]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

If the CW is still around in the 23rd century, they can start their new reality series "Who Wants to Impregnate a Hot Vulcan Chick to Help Save Their Species?"

 

[Overgeeked]

Re: Vulcan survivors

I believe the Vulcans are pretty isolationist. T'Pol remarks that they don't do things for "curiosity" like humans and there may not have been many logical reasons to colonize once "because it's there" is ruled out.

And in a later ENT episode that is called into question by another Vulcan.

There are dozens of logical reasons to colonize. These two peoples (Vulcans and Romulans) have been in space since at least the 3rd century (our real world Earth calendar). I can't seem to find a citation for how long they've had warp. It's beyond stupid to believe that in well over 2000 years of space exploration they've never once settled a colony off their home planet, much less another Class M planet.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Well, if they mate with humans, they'll be getting busy more often.

They should mate with Orion salve girls...

That would mean green-blooded and green-skinned freaks! Pointy-eared green goblins! McCoy would be madder than Spider-Man!

 

[Gepard]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulca

I can't imagine that Old Spock would say, "I'm going to start The Colony."

That is beyond awkward.

Especially since it would lead to the genocide of the Twelve Colonies. That's just uncomfortable for everyone.

 

[maryh]

Re: Vulcan survivors

Aside from Spock and Sarek, Vulcans have been pretty two-dimensional and haven't really contributed much to the mythos beyond being part of the background.

I think TOS Vulcans were interesting but, the spin-offs didn't get them right. Besides Sarek and Spock, T'Pau and T'Pring were interesting, as was the original Surak from TOS.

For me, Vulcans were interesting when they were supposed to be inherently less emotional than humans - with Spock, of course, being the one in a tough position because he had human emotions that he had to repress. The cold, regal, arrogant, logical, calculating Vulcans of TOS were fascinating and mysterious. Because they were so different than humans they offered us an interesting contrast to ourselves. The spin-offs "humanized" the Vulcans by making them have more powerful emotions than humans that were simply controlled. TOS Vulcans and humans didn't understand eachother very well. The Spin-off Vulcans had the same range of emotions that humans had so, they did understand humans but, simply would not admit it. The appeal of TOS Vulcans lay in that they were very different than humans mentally and emotionally by both nature and nurture.

 

[maryh]

Re: Pon Farr and Surviving Vulcans

Extasy and viagra, I say. That will solve the problem...

I always assumed that the Pon Farr was tied into their fertility cycles. The problem with repopulating would be that Vulcans might possibly have a reproductive biology that limits their ability to be fertile as often as humans. I assumed it wasn't a problem that Viagra could fix but more along the lines of something fertility drugs could help.