Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulcans

[kythe]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

I don't really see them wanting to reproduce that quickly. When it is both biologically and culturally normal for them to have a baby every 7 years in a family with two married parents,

Was it ever established that Vulcan are only able to mate every seven years?
I thought they had to get busy every seven years; but there was nothing stopping them from mating more often.

-frank

Oh, I agree with that. I just don't see them popping out babies all that often. I see it as "socially acceptable" for Vulcans to acknowledge that relationship once every 7 years by having babies only at that time.

Maybe pregnancies closer than that could pose physical hazards as well. For instance, many fertile human women are physically capable of having a baby every year, and rarely you might actually see a woman with 20+ kids. But this isn't easy on a woman's body and usually comes with high infant mortality rates.

Also, consider the 200+ year lifespans of Vulcans and how many years are likely to be considered childbearing years. Say they can reproduce from maybe their 30's to over 100 years old. Even with "only" 1 baby every 7 years, a Vulcan woman could produce quite a number of children during her lifetime.

Basically, I don't think speed is of the essence for Vulcans to repopulate their society. It just takes time.

 

[indranee]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Well, if they mate with humans, they'll be getting busy more often.

They should mate with Orion salve girls...

*raises eyebrow*

"indeed."

 

[Islander]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Since we know Pon Farr hits both genders, its logical to assume that Vulcan children are born to parental couples not once in 7 years, but twice. Unless the Vulcan only looks for a mate that shares a pon farr with his/her own.

Were do we know that from? I'm pretty sure Saavik explained to Marcus on Genesis that Ponn Fire affects males.

 

[Islander]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Well, if they mate with humans, they'll be getting busy more often.

They should mate with Orion salve girls...

*raises eyebrow*

"indeed."

Hmmm, yeah... no that's exaclty what I wanted to say... salve girls. R rated version of the slave girls...

 

[dillon3001]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

It would be interesting to see how much of this situation plays out in the next movie, if the new colony plays into the story at all.

I would imagine helping with the new colony would be a priority for the UFP regardless, and Memory Alpha (assuming it exists in this timeline, i dont see why it wouldn't) could have stored a vast amount of information and perhaps relics, books, statues,etc that would be of great use to the colony, both cultural and scientific

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

What i'd like to know is, where are the Vulcan colonies?

 

[P0sitr0nic]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Since we know Pon Farr hits both genders, its logical to assume that Vulcan children are born to parental couples not once in 7 years, but twice. Unless the Vulcan only looks for a mate that shares a pon farr with his/her own.

Were do we know that from? I'm pretty sure Saavik explained to Marcus on Genesis that Ponn Fire affects males.

Watch Enterprise.

 

[Islander]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Since we know Pon Farr hits both genders, its logical to assume that Vulcan children are born to parental couples not once in 7 years, but twice. Unless the Vulcan only looks for a mate that shares a pon farr with his/her own.

Were do we know that from? I'm pretty sure Saavik explained to Marcus on Genesis that Ponn Fire affects males.

Watch Enterprise.

I did but I don't recall that. I wasn't here (on trekbbs) then but I guess this would have generated a number of canon debate thread at that time?

 

[cubbie]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Since we know Pon Farr hits both genders, its logical to assume that Vulcan children are born to parental couples not once in 7 years, but twice. Unless the Vulcan only looks for a mate that shares a pon farr with his/her own.

Were do we know that from? I'm pretty sure Saavik explained to Marcus on Genesis that Ponn Fire affects males.

Watch Enterprise.

I watched Enterprise and don't recall where it was stated that pon farr affected both sexes.

 

[P0sitr0nic]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Were do we know that from? I'm pretty sure Saavik explained to Marcus on Genesis that Ponn Fire affects males.

Watch Enterprise.

I did but I don't recall that. I wasn't here (on trekbbs) then but I guess this would have generated a number of canon debate thread at that time?

I watched Enterprise and don't recall where it was stated that pon farr affected both sexes.

It affected T'pol. Shes a She. Therefor it effects both. (and yes, there was a Canonstorm about it)

 

[indranee]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

The Bounty is the episode, btw.

 

[Islander]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

The episodes's description state it was cause by a virus, and SFS is chronoligically after anyway so it prevails. Gnah gnah gnah... joking!

Ok then, we'll just ship them a bunch of extasy and viagra: problem solve...

 

[P0sitr0nic]

Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

My entire point was that Vulcan would pretty much rebuild its numbers in half the time people originally thought. That was all.

 

[GulDucati]

Pon Farr and Surviving Vulcans

It just occurred to me that the remaining 10 000 or so Vulcans are going to have a bit of a rough time every seven years with so few fellow mates. Perhaps the best thing for the Vulcans of the new universe to do is to seriously re-unify with Romulus - something old Spock has been working at for the last 20 years. While we're at it, what about the prime universe's remaining Romulans? Surely there are at least a few thousand of them left, and do they go through Pon Farr as well? Never mentioned that they do, but maybe they should go live on Vulcan?

 

[AmbassadorPointyEars]

Re: Pon Farr and Surviving Vulcans

I think that, if done well, the story of the surviving Vulcans would be an incredibly rich story to tell. Although I usually prefer metaphysical type of scifi, there are some great opportunities for social commentaries DS9 style. I truly hope that any future movies (and shows?) address this in a serious manner.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Re: Pon Farr and Surviving Vulcans

Well, if they need some human volunteers, I'm down with that.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Re: Pon Farr and Surviving Vulcans

McCoy will discover how to induce it artificially, and then... hmmm, we may need an NC-17 rating for this one.

 

[Islander]

Re: Pon Farr and Surviving Vulcans

Extasy and viagra, I say. That will solve the problem...

 

[royalfan5]

Re: Pon Farr and Surviving Vulcans

You would think that the logical thing to do for the Vulcan women to do would be to lie back and think of Vulcan.

 

[superdeluxe]

Re: Pon Farr and Surviving Vulcans

It just occurred to me that the remaining 10 000 or so Vulcans are going to have a bit of a rough time every seven years with so few fellow mates. Perhaps the best thing for the Vulcans of the new universe to do is to seriously re-unify with Romulus - something old Spock has been working at for the last 20 years. While we're at it, what about the prime universe's remaining Romulans? Surely there are at least a few thousand of them left, and do they go through Pon Farr as well? Never mentioned that they do, but maybe they should go live on Vulcan?

I read it over at memory-alpha that the 10,000 only include those that were on the planet...and that did not count others that were off of Vulcan at the time. Who knows maybe there was a colony or something somewhere?