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Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulcans

Re: Vulcan survivors

Samuel T. Cogley said:
Nasvikk said:
I don't think the 10,000 Vulcan survivors figure is entirely accurate. Vulcans have been in space for a long time. I'm sure they have many large and small colonies out there. Just a thought. Love the move :)
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Old Spock says that he has found a planet in which to start "a colony." Singular. As in, the first and the only.
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he is starting one colony.. dosnt mean there might have been another.
;)

as for enterprise..
there was a monastery on anonther planet and it is possible it was rebuilt after it was destroyed.
but if the vulcans saw it as a planet for spiritual retreat there may not have been a large permanent population there.

there was another planet the vulcans had started to colonise and then left .

but yeah i see vulcan as a significant loss.
it was one of the founding worlds and one suspects a lot of important federation science came from there.

i also saw the vulcans as part of the balance that made up the founding federation planets.

they on one side.. with the humans in the middle and the more volatile andorians and tellarites on the other.

we know sarek carried a lot of influence among the other ambassadors..
will it still be so with so few vulcans left.?
 
Re: Vulcan survivors

I think the movie pretty well indicated that there were only about 10,000 survivors period. If there were other colonies, OldSpock would have just said, "Oh, well, the survivors of Vulcan are just going to relocate to one of the major colonies" or something like that.

What happened to P'Jem and all the other colonies? Well, remember in ENT how the Vulcans got caught in lies and snooping and all sorts of things. It could have been a condition of the formation of the Federation that Vulcans retreated from some colonies to please the Andorians, or as a show of good faith. Or, in this new reality, as soon as Nero shows up and exposes the whole Romulan thing early, the Vulcans decided to be even more insular. You know, come to think of it, the Vulcans are horrible at colonization! From P'Jem to Romulus, everywhere they go they just start trouble!

But how many people want to bet that out of 10,000 survivors, T'Pring is one of them?

Amok Time on the big screen. Four way love triangle. Spock loves Uhura, and has a nice relationship, then T'Pring shows up, Ponn Farr breaks out in a new, updated way, like as soon as two bonded individuals meet, they can't keep their hands off each other. Stonn, also a survivor, doesn't want a dirty halfblood to repopulate the race with his woman, and Kirk shoots T'Pring off to Delta Vega, which prompts Spock and him to fight!

*sigh* Ice cream plus bulletin board plus imminent bedtimes dont mix. I'll probably dream about this. Only my dream will probably have Spock fighting Bernie Mac for his daughter's hand in marriage...
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

As I mentioned in another thread, they only need to get some Romulan recruits to join them and they'll be good to go. Romulans are basically just Vulcans who haven't embraced logic and rejected emotion. Raise some Romulan children as Vulcans and they won't know the difference. Plus you'd be reinvigorating the Vulcans' genetic makeup.
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

maryh said:
They don't have to keep the bloodline so pure. The Vulcans are just so sexy looking that they could easily breed with human females. I'd be glad to help out.
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I love your avatar - as a long time Mark Lenard fan. :techman:

Yeah - I suspect that there would be plenty of volunteers - and sadly they would all be turned down. Pure bloodlines seem to be important. However, keep in mind that in about 20-25 years there will be 2500 cases of ponn far a year for 4 straight years!! Woohoo!:drool:
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

RegentWorf said:
As I mentioned in another thread, they only need to get some Romulan recruits to join them and they'll be good to go. Romulans are basically just Vulcans who haven't embraced logic and rejected emotion. Raise some Romulan children as Vulcans and they won't know the difference. Plus you'd be reinvigorating the Vulcans' genetic makeup.
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Given the current situation, and how it arose, I'm not sure that the Vulcans would really want that - nor do I think the Romulans would be willing to participate. Of course, a mass kidnapping may be the answer!:)
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Ten thousand Vulcans is probably enough genetic diversity to restart the world, provided they have enough fertile young people and you don't have a lot of people crippled by the loss of their bond mates. They're probably going to have to make use of artificial wombs and produce a lot of babies in the lab and a lot of those children would end up being raised in group homes, perhaps with the help of off-planet professionals. Assuming they're like humans, kids raised with children like brothers and sisters almost never are attracted to one another even if they aren't related, so they'd have to take that into account. Their pon farr cycles might be thrown off as well with the loss of their home planet.

So the culture almost certainly will end up being different than it was on Vulcan. The kids will probably be more resourceful, more willing to take chances, more creative, less bonded to individual adults and more to the group they were raised with, and probably a lot less LOGICAL than the Vulcans. Logic won't always work on a frontier planet where they're rebuilding a society and trying to survive as a species. But if they produce fewer brats like the kids who tormented young Spock and fewer little witches like T'Pring, maybe the population will emerge better for it.
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

I don't really see them wanting to reproduce that quickly. When it is both biologically and culturally normal for them to have a baby every 7 years in a family with two married parents, I don't believe they will want to suddenly start reproducing every year or take drastic means to repopulate. That in itself would be a significant alteration to their culture, in direct contrast to what they are trying to preserve.

Vulcans are very traditional, but I do think they will be able to change in order to survive. However, they have much more to think about concerning the preservation of their culture than just reproducing as quickly as they can.
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

They'd better throw that 7 year stuff outta da window and git ta bizniss!!!

It's the only logical thing to do.

:rommie::rommie::rommie:
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Maybe they could start a cloning factory and fill the bodies with old Katras.
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

Maybe this'll make re-unification easier, especially since its something that Spock has ben working towards his whole life.
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

kythe said:
I don't really see them wanting to reproduce that quickly. When it is both biologically and culturally normal for them to have a baby every 7 years in a family with two married parents,
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Was it ever established that Vulcan are only able to mate every seven years?
I thought they had to get busy every seven years; but there was nothing stopping them from mating more often.

-frank
 
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I do wonder, however, how logic may affect marital situations:
- "leaving the toilet seat down is logical, T'Jerk..." :lol:
 
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Since we know Pon Farr hits both genders, its logical to assume that Vulcan children are born to parental couples not once in 7 years, but twice. Unless the Vulcan only looks for a mate that shares a pon farr with his/her own.
 
Re: Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture

RegentWorf said:
As I mentioned in another thread, they only need to get some Romulan recruits to join them and they'll be good to go. Romulans are basically just Vulcans who haven't embraced logic and rejected emotion. Raise some Romulan children as Vulcans and they won't know the difference. Plus you'd be reinvigorating the Vulcans' genetic makeup.
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maybe we'll get to see Saavik's bloodline!

so where will the Vulcans live?
 
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