They give away in the trailer for the next episode what the drumming is - its a Time Lord's heartbeat.
Poll: The Time Lords (SPOILERS!!!)
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I'm all for bringing them back! I want Romana! 
I counter with The Doctor, Susan, Romana, Drax, Rodan, Damon, K'anpo Rimpoche...
No, for the most part, they were red and gold.
I thought that the timelords would be back, though I thought the Doctor whould be saving them (loosing his life in the process) and they would be kick starting the next series for us. I guess that's still possible but with perhaps slightly less spit please, I know you're filming in wales and everything Lol.
I doubt they'd bring them back just to off them again, but perhaps the ones we've seen aren't the ones the Doctor will save
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I doubt they'd bring them back just to off them again, but perhaps the ones we've seen aren't the ones the Doctor will save
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Ah, here we go (Thanks Wikipedia).
"Each Time Lord belongs to one of a number of various colleges or chapters, such as the Patrexes, Arcalian, and the Prydonian chapters, which have ceremonial and possibly political significance. In The Deadly Assassin, it is explained that each chapter has its own colours; the Prydonians wear scarlet and orange, the Arcalians wear green, and the Patrexeans wear heliotrope. However, in that same serial, Cardinal Borusa, described as "the leader of the Prydonian chapter" wears heliotrope.
Other Prydonians wear orange headdresses with orange-brown (not scarlet) robes.
Others chapters mentioned in spin-off novels include the Dromeian and Cerulean chapters. The Prydonian chapter has a reputation for being devious, and tends to produce renegades; the Doctor, the Master and the Rani are all Prydonians. The colleges of the Academy are led by the Cardinals. Ushers, who provide security and assistance at official Time Lord functions, may belong to any chapter, and wear all-gold uniforms. Also mentioned in the Deadly Assassin are 'plebeian classes'."
"Each Time Lord belongs to one of a number of various colleges or chapters, such as the Patrexes, Arcalian, and the Prydonian chapters, which have ceremonial and possibly political significance. In The Deadly Assassin, it is explained that each chapter has its own colours; the Prydonians wear scarlet and orange, the Arcalians wear green, and the Patrexeans wear heliotrope. However, in that same serial, Cardinal Borusa, described as "the leader of the Prydonian chapter" wears heliotrope.
Other Prydonians wear orange headdresses with orange-brown (not scarlet) robes.
Others chapters mentioned in spin-off novels include the Dromeian and Cerulean chapters. The Prydonian chapter has a reputation for being devious, and tends to produce renegades; the Doctor, the Master and the Rani are all Prydonians. The colleges of the Academy are led by the Cardinals. Ushers, who provide security and assistance at official Time Lord functions, may belong to any chapter, and wear all-gold uniforms. Also mentioned in the Deadly Assassin are 'plebeian classes'."
I say kill 'em. The Doctor is more interesting as a lone, mysterious individual, as in the Hartnell and Troughton era's than when we get to see and know all about them. And what...you don't think people will demand to see more and more Timelord stuff? They will, don't ever doubt it. Do you really want to know who the Doctors parents were, what he was like as a child and what his real name is? (Because let's face it.....The Doctor using "The Doctor" around his own people is as idiotic as Superman being called "Superman" around other Kryptonians. Which is why they don't call him Superman in the current New Krypton story, but call him by his Kryptonian name. I mean,the Doctors one of them....it's not like they DON'T know his real name.)
The closer you get to this stuff, the more people will demand to see it, which is why it's best to set it up so that you don't. Yeah, in Hartnell's day we knew he was on the run from his own people and that he'd stolen the TARDIS and that's all we needed to know. They wanted him mysterious but he had to have some kind of backstory and that's all they gave us.
When we don't think of the Doctors people, as in the first two Doc era's, or we don't have them, then the Doctor is a unique individual. When we had the era's where Timelords were featured full on....well then the Doctor is just a guy with a time\space machine from a whole race of people with time\space machines. And realistically and statistically speaking, he would'nt be the only Timelord to do what he does (fight the good fight amongst the lesser races)....just as the Enterprise couldn't have been the only ship in Starfleet to have fantastic adventures. By not dwelling on the adventures of other ships, the Enterprise and her crew seem that much more special.
I just don't think the Timelords will bring all the much to the table in terms of the series as a whole....in terms of a couple of eps, or a season arc sure, permanantly? No.
The closer you get to this stuff, the more people will demand to see it, which is why it's best to set it up so that you don't. Yeah, in Hartnell's day we knew he was on the run from his own people and that he'd stolen the TARDIS and that's all we needed to know. They wanted him mysterious but he had to have some kind of backstory and that's all they gave us.
When we don't think of the Doctors people, as in the first two Doc era's, or we don't have them, then the Doctor is a unique individual. When we had the era's where Timelords were featured full on....well then the Doctor is just a guy with a time\space machine from a whole race of people with time\space machines. And realistically and statistically speaking, he would'nt be the only Timelord to do what he does (fight the good fight amongst the lesser races)....just as the Enterprise couldn't have been the only ship in Starfleet to have fantastic adventures. By not dwelling on the adventures of other ships, the Enterprise and her crew seem that much more special.
I just don't think the Timelords will bring all the much to the table in terms of the series as a whole....in terms of a couple of eps, or a season arc sure, permanantly? No.
They'll be back for good, or at least until the next showrunner decides to hide them away again, I guarantee it.
The writing is already on the wall, I'm pretty sure. I'm going to go out on a limb here: I seriously doubt the Time Lords will be back permanently.
Tenant once said (I'm pretty sure it was at ComicCon) that his final episode would touch on the Time War, at least as much as the series ever would. The spoiler clips had the Time Lords clearly stating that they were at the outermost edge of time in the Time War, and that this was the final day of the War.
Also remember that Nine and Ten pretty much definitively stated he himself had ended the Time War and that there were now no Time Lords left. That and the line about the Doctor using "the moment" to kill Daleks and Time Lords makes it fairly clear to me that this is probably a part of the Time War that, somehow, escaped the time lock spoken of in Journey's End or else just broke free somehow.
In other words, I think it's a slice of the past come back to visit us, allowing the Doctor (and us) to visit the Time War.
And we've seen from the spoiler clip that these people are demoralized and pretty desperate and Dalton's character is either insanely driven or has been driven insane. In terms or morale (and moral corruption perhaps) at least, this last cell of Time Lords is pretty clearly on its last legs and they know the end is in sight.
To these Time Lords, the Time War-as far as they are concerned-is still going on. One even said that time was reviving Time Lords to find new ways for them to die.
And Dalton's character cheering, "For the end of time"? This is just my guess, but I think either he is talking about freezing the future to avoid the Time Lords' ultimate fate or destroying it altogether, taking the rest of the universe down with them as they go.
I think the Doctor is going to be forced to settle things, once and for all, but again at the cost of this last remnant of his people-who are a shadow of what they once were-and his own tenth life.
But we'll see in a couple days if I'm right or not, won't we?
Tenant once said (I'm pretty sure it was at ComicCon) that his final episode would touch on the Time War, at least as much as the series ever would. The spoiler clips had the Time Lords clearly stating that they were at the outermost edge of time in the Time War, and that this was the final day of the War.
Also remember that Nine and Ten pretty much definitively stated he himself had ended the Time War and that there were now no Time Lords left. That and the line about the Doctor using "the moment" to kill Daleks and Time Lords makes it fairly clear to me that this is probably a part of the Time War that, somehow, escaped the time lock spoken of in Journey's End or else just broke free somehow.
In other words, I think it's a slice of the past come back to visit us, allowing the Doctor (and us) to visit the Time War.
And we've seen from the spoiler clip that these people are demoralized and pretty desperate and Dalton's character is either insanely driven or has been driven insane. In terms or morale (and moral corruption perhaps) at least, this last cell of Time Lords is pretty clearly on its last legs and they know the end is in sight.
To these Time Lords, the Time War-as far as they are concerned-is still going on. One even said that time was reviving Time Lords to find new ways for them to die.
And Dalton's character cheering, "For the end of time"? This is just my guess, but I think either he is talking about freezing the future to avoid the Time Lords' ultimate fate or destroying it altogether, taking the rest of the universe down with them as they go.
I think the Doctor is going to be forced to settle things, once and for all, but again at the cost of this last remnant of his people-who are a shadow of what they once were-and his own tenth life.
But we'll see in a couple days if I'm right or not, won't we?
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I always knew that the Time Lords would come back at some point. If the Daleks and the Master could come back, then at some point they would bring back the Time Lords. There are just too many interesting story ideas for the writers to be able to say "never EVER."
After this, I don't want the Time Lords to be totally exterminated again. I've already gotten sick of the constant pattern of improbable resurrection/total genocide that the new series has done with the Daleks in "Bad Wolf"/"The Parting of the Ways," "Doomsday," & "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End."
I do think that any future series should probably use the Time Lords very sparingly, like only once every couple of years. But I think that they should be out there somewhere. Even if all of these Time Lords die at the end of "The End of Time, Part 2," I think there should be an implication that there may be more of them elsewhere in the universe, hiding until the time is right.
And here's hoping we get to see Susan and/or Romana at some point!
After this, I don't want the Time Lords to be totally exterminated again. I've already gotten sick of the constant pattern of improbable resurrection/total genocide that the new series has done with the Daleks in "Bad Wolf"/"The Parting of the Ways," "Doomsday," & "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End."
I do think that any future series should probably use the Time Lords very sparingly, like only once every couple of years. But I think that they should be out there somewhere. Even if all of these Time Lords die at the end of "The End of Time, Part 2," I think there should be an implication that there may be more of them elsewhere in the universe, hiding until the time is right.
And here's hoping we get to see Susan and/or Romana at some point!
I think these Time Lords have survived because they shifted themselves out of time and space right before the Doctor blew up Gallifrey. We know that they have the ability to do this, from classic series episodes such as The Mind Robber and Logopolis.
I do have a suspicion that Timothy Dalton's character will be killed off, as he's clearly totally insane in the next episode. But I want at least some of the Time Lords, besides the Doctor and the Master, to survive.
I do have a suspicion that Timothy Dalton's character will be killed off, as he's clearly totally insane in the next episode. But I want at least some of the Time Lords, besides the Doctor and the Master, to survive.
