Guys, most non-Trekkies can't tell the difference between the original and the current version.
Let's keep the retards out of this discussion, m'kay?
Let's keep the retards out of this discussion, m'kay?
Poll: The new Starship Enterprise
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Non-Trekkies. 
Ironically though, that point kind of deflates the argument about the "need" for updating the ship.
Ironically though, that point kind of deflates the argument about the "need" for updating the ship.
Neither is the new Enterprise. It's being sold as one element in a 2009 movie, not a 1966 television series.
Fans can accept that or not, but it's the bottom line.
I had one of them. Yellow. With the Ghia package. Never got more traffic tickets in my life.
I had a 1977 sedan. Fancy body on a Pinto chassis. Hey, the things were late-70s Ford products, what can you say?
Crappy car. Kind of pretty.
Yellow is good. I'm looking toward a new Mustang convertible in yellow next year - if the company doesn't go belly-up.
ST-One
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Well, it seems like all the studio can give us any more is crap.
Some might think the same of your kit-bashes.
Some of them are really good.
But some are ugly as hell.
Why the fuck are you getting personal? Do you work for the studio and somehow took my remark personally?
And when the fuck was any of my kitbashes used in an official paramount motion picture and written into cannon? My models are for my own fun, I'm not foisting them on anyone as an official production.
I'm not getting personal.
No one, neither Abrams nor Paramount Pictures is 'foisting' anything on you.
You show us your very well made models. Some look very good and some don't (to me at least).
Now Abrams and his creative team have shown us their work. Some like it some don't.
Entirely true, except that you need to replace "a" with "the."
It's being sold as one element in the 2009 movie, not the 1966 television series.
The new movie isn't the way it is because of the year it's being made, and the original show wasn't the way it was because of the year it was made. These may contribute, but many designs from that period (see anything by Jerry Anderson involving puppets) look more in-sync with this "new" design than with the TOS version.
It's not because of the time. It's just a personal stylistic decision that has nothing to do with "audience acceptance," much less with the year it's being made.
And of course, your "bottom line" statement is entirely correct.
(Oh, and FYI... my first car was a dark metallic green 1974 Dodge Dart, with no A/C, an AM-only radio, and black vinyl bench seats.)
The new movie isn't the way it is because of the year it's being made, and the original show wasn't the way it was because of the year it was made. These may contribute, but many designs from that period (see anything by Jerry Anderson involving puppets) look more in-sync with this "new" design than with the TOS version.
It's not because of the time. It's just a personal stylistic decision that has nothing to do with "audience acceptance," much less with the year it's being made.
And of course, your "bottom line" statement is entirely correct.
(Oh, and FYI... my first car was a dark metallic green 1974 Dodge Dart, with no A/C, an AM-only radio, and black vinyl bench seats.)
ST-One
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Both, TOS and Star Trek, are children of their times. To argue otherwise is... stupid.
I think that describes the new movie pretty well too. This is clearly supposed to be a new version of the old ship, no doubt.
On the other hand, I'm sure there are hardcore Mustang classic fans whining about the new Mustang, insisting that the car company not call it a Mustang, insisting that it is overshadowing the old Mustang, complaining that the car company is just slapping the name on a new car because they want to make money and are out of ideas, yack yack yack.
Yes it is, and yes it was.
That accounts in part for everything down to color choices (where the new film isn't deliberately mimicking the original series, and even there the hues and values are somewhat different).
ST-One
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Yes, the more the 'fanbois' whine the more accessible to a mainstream audience Star Trek will be.
Say that about a Pontiac Aztek
. Sometimes, the artistic sensibilities being offended is more than enough to justify outrage - one doesn't have to involve canon at all. Me, I just think it's a poor design. Period.Well, we did say that about the Mustang II. Did no good.
OTOH, a bit of a grassroots campaign against the company's plan in the 1980s to dub a japanese-engineered front wheel drive vehicle "Mustang" did supposedly have something to do with Ford's decision to market it as the "Probe" (an in-house name for some concept vehicles) instead.
And of course, if the protests had occurred after the cars were rolling off the assembly line they would have been useless.
My first car was a baby blue 1974 SuperBeetle.
Which would have been great, had the year not been 1992.
I believe a similar argument may be made about the new Enterprise.
Which would have been great, had the year not been 1992.
I believe a similar argument may be made about the new Enterprise.
Yep.
Calling non-Trek fans "the retards" is about as counter-factual as it gets around here.
Calling non-Trek fans "the retards" is about as counter-factual as it gets around here.
And that's part of the appeal and the timelessness of the design. It's a functional, utilitarian design that looks like something the Navy might put together.
The new one looks as functional as a Jell-O screwdriver.
Non-Trekkies.
Ironically though, that point kind of deflates the argument about the "need" for updating the ship.
Give that man a cupie doll! WE HAVE A WINNAH!!
Let's refrain from calling anyone names around here, folks. Sorry I missed it the first time around - you folks could at least wait until I get off work and can concentrate ...
Well, the "new" design could be reworked (more dramatically than prior rebuilds, granted) and have it seem plausible. Things that would have to change:
1) The color scheme. Brilliant white is just stupid... there's a reason that no room actual humans spend time in is painted and lit that way... and unless everyone has a built-in biometrically-driven automatic-aspirin-dispenser, the entire bridge will be filled with people with eyestrain-caused headaches. Repaint it in muted tones... military grey tones, blacks... with color used only to highlight significant features (like, say, cushioned handrails?)
2) The STUPID "plexiglass panes with circuit-board traces" thing. Take those out. Permanently.
3) Remove the "stand-up consoles" at the back. Stand-up consoles never have made sense, and never will. (What are those folks supposed to do when the captain tells them to "buckle up," by the way?)
4) You never want a sharply-sloped floor area... no matter how "grippy" your shoes are, it's a slip-hazard. So the sloped region where the captain's chair is would need to become stepped.
5) Get rid of EVERY SINGLE ONE of the ~4,000 "in your face" lamps...
6) Remove all of the repainted bar-code-scanners that the set-dresser assumed nobody would ever recognize.
7) Redo the graphics so they don't look so glaringly "Mac-ish." I mean, we know JJ loves his Mac, but c'mon... it's just a weeeee bit over-the-top, isn't it???
Do all that, and I could accept it as a starship bridge. Not as the "TOS Enterprise" bridge, but as A bridge, anyway.
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