Poll: Bring Janeway back?

[tiedyedphoenix]

One of the problems that bugs me is that if they were going to get rid of her at all, they should have done it in a Voyager way. Same would go for any Star Trek character associated with any other ship/show. And the option to bring her back would at least rectify the situation by making a Voyager character's life events actually relate to that show/ship.

 

[Captain Gandalf]

The simple fact of the matter is that they can voice their disapproval all they want. This is, afterall, a discussion board for Star Trek and this forum specifically for the Books/Magazines/Comics. If their protests or arguments are a waste of time because there are other more important things in life, then let's be brutally honest, this entire forum is a waste of time, as there are more important things in life than Star Trek and discussing it.

 

[JD]

Okay, spoliers abound...

Spoiler: Full Circle and Unworthy

Following the destruction of the Borg in the Destiny trilogy, Voyager leads a fleet of nine Federation starships on a three-year mission into the Delta Quadrant. The ships have been upgraded with slipstream drive. Among them are science, medical, and exploratory vessels. The fleet commander is Admiral Willem Batiste. Voyager is the flagship and its new CO is Captain Afsarah Eden, the former wife of Admiral Batiste. Paris, Kim, Vorik, the Doctor, and Seven accompany the mission. B'Elanna and her daughter join them as well. And contrary to rumors, Chakotay is not dead.

Spoiler: Dark Gilligan's spoilers

So B'Elanna and Miral aren't dead?

Alot of people might complain about all of these spoilers ruining the book for them, but personally, the more I read here the more excited I get for the book. I can't wait to see how all of this comes about.

 

[brcarthey]

Okay, spoliers abound...

Spoiler: Full Circle and Unworthy

Following the destruction of the Borg in the Destiny trilogy, Voyager leads a fleet of nine Federation starships on a three-year mission into the Delta Quadrant. The ships have been upgraded with slipstream drive. Among them are science, medical, and exploratory vessels. The fleet commander is Admiral Willem Batiste. Voyager is the flagship and its new CO is Captain Afsarah Eden, the former wife of Admiral Batiste. Paris, Kim, Vorik, the Doctor, and Seven accompany the mission. B'Elanna and her daughter join them as well. And contrary to rumors, Chakotay is not dead.

Spoiler: Dark Gilligan's spoilers

So B'Elanna and Miral aren't dead?

Alot of people might complain about all of these spoilers ruining the book for them, but personally, the more I read here the more excited I get for the book. I can't wait to see how all of this comes about.

same here!!

 

[Thrawn]

The simple fact of the matter is that they can voice their disapproval all they want. This is, afterall, a discussion board for Star Trek and this forum specifically for the Books/Magazines/Comics. If their protests or arguments are a waste of time because there are other more important things in life, then let's be brutally honest, this entire forum is a waste of time, as there are more important things in life than Star Trek and discussing it.

In case you missed it:

Entertainment, and thus the discussion thereof, has a particular purpose: to be entertaining. If you're on a discussion board explicitly proclaiming that you're not reading/watching that entertainment in the first place, how is that not defeating the purpose?

Sure, there are always more important things to do, but again, if you're on a TrekLit discussion board ranting about how you don't, and won't, read TrekLit...

I mean, would you go on a messageboard for Armenians living in LA and write post after post about how you don't know any Armenians and don't care to?

 

[BillJ]

So you think that a five year wait is good enough for a fandom that has only had four subpar books in the last five years, while you all get to read what you want. That just shows how much respect you are willing to give the other guys.

We want Janeway back alive, we want books about Voyager's crew because the Voyager fandom doesn't care about the ship, we care about the characters. Five years is totally unacceptable, just as it is totally unacceptable that Voyager characters are used as minor characters in other books, or are used as cannon fodder. (and just to keep things straight - I do represent other people)

Brit

Isn't it obvious... no one gives a what you want, including Pocket.

 

[Thrawn]

So you think that a five year wait is good enough for a fandom that has only had four subpar books in the last five years, while you all get to read what you want. That just shows how much respect you are willing to give the other guys.

We want Janeway back alive, we want books about Voyager's crew because the Voyager fandom doesn't care about the ship, we care about the characters. Five years is totally unacceptable, just as it is totally unacceptable that Voyager characters are used as minor characters in other books, or are used as cannon fodder. (and just to keep things straight - I do represent other people)

Brit

Isn't it obvious... no one gives a what you want, including Pocket.

And that's another point.

Ostensibly, many of these pro-Janeway posters are here to "make their voice heard", or some variant thereof, despite being told by the writers that no one makes decisions based on what people post on messageboards.

If you want your voice to be heard, write a letter to Pocket.

 

[KimMH]

No one cares about your Patricia and Nik on Trek board, I'm afraid.

If you don't want to post on Janeway threads, don't. It's one way of "killing a thread", you know, not contributing.

I don't know Patricia or Nik but I find your posts thoughtful and balanced - even though I don't always agree with you.

Thank you. That was very nice comment from you.

(embarrased) I'm sorry, I meant that for Thrawn. I'm less familiar with your posting than Thrawn's - maybe a quantity thing . . .

 

[SStar]

If it's true, that hardly any original characters appear as main stars in the novels, I also think that the Star Trek: Voyager relaunch can be stopped at all. Like someone put in here: We care more about the characters than about the ship itself.

I've been a (very) long time lurker on all these boards but I feel I should throw something into the pot here around the feeling that the Voyager relaunch should concentrate on the characters.

I agree, the show / relaunch are about the characters but it doesn't necessarily have to be about the characters we already know. Take the DS9-R for instance (NB. relaunch as a whole as I know some books do concentrate on specific characters):

Sisko - still an important character but not a big player in the DS9 relaunch (at present)
Kira - key character in the relaunch
Worf - back in TNG-R
Odo - not a big player in the DS9-R
Dax - in the current DS9-R timeline, a key character, but as we know from Destiny, will move on from DS9 at some point
O'Brien - not a big player in the DS9-R
Bashir - key character
Quark - key character
Jake Sisko - not entirely sure how to classify Jake ...

Following the main characters in the show, we were introduced to the relaunch characters, some from the show, some new and in my opinion, they are all rich in character and personality (although I qualify that with the DS9-R having had a better grounding than VOY-R, but expecting Full Circle to be the starting point):
Vaughn, ch'Thane, Nog, Ro Laren, Tenmei, Taran'atar, etc.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the true evolution and future of the VOY-R surely lies in not stagnating in the present. Beloved characters have moved in both the DS9-R and TNG-R and yet, almost all of those books have been successes. Why should Voyager be the exception to the rule?

 

[BillJ]

Throw some more gas on the old tire fire here...

I think Voyager herself is every bit as much a character as any of the people who were her crew. To me a Star Trek: Voyager novel has to have the Voyager craft in it.

 

[USS Triumphant]

I really didn't like Janeway, but if I ignore the events of the Year of Hell (and I think we'll all acknowledge there were a few episodes that needed to be ignored, no matter how much you liked the show), then she wasn't all that bad, either.

So, Janeway fans, I'll make you a deal. As far as I'm concerned, Janeway can come back, as long as she quits giving Picard crap, in exchange for Chakotay kicking off. Deal?

Goodbye Beltran.

 

[BillJ]

While I voted no to bringing back Janeway, I do have a question.

In my limited imagination I figured the only way to bring here back to starship duty was to move her back to a captain rank. So there were limited possibilities in what a writer could do with her in San Francisco. But you have an Admiral leading the task force back to the Delta Quadrant?

Were there ever any internal discussions of this Admiral being Janeway? Or was the course for the Voyager re-re-launch set after work on Before Dishonor was complete?

 

[JustKate]

I really didn't like Janeway, but if I ignore the events of the Year of Hell (and I think we'll all acknowledge there were a few episodes that needed to be ignored, no matter how much you liked the show), then she wasn't all that bad, either.

So, Janeway fans, I'll make you a deal. As far as I'm concerned, Janeway can come back, as long as she quits giving Picard crap, in exchange for Chakotay kicking off. Deal?

Goodbye Beltran.

Nope. No deal.

I don't understand the hostility toward Chakotay, either...but no, I don't want to get into it in this thread. And anyway, I am merely in the moderates' "bring her back if it makes for a good story" camp, so you'll have to make your proposal to the more hardline Janeway folks.

 

[USS Triumphant]

I don't understand the hostility toward Chakotay, either

I have no problem with Chakotay, aside from him being a little boring.

But I want Beltran gone.

 

[Thrawn]

While I voted no to bringing back Janeway, I do have a question.

In my limited imagination I figured the only way to bring here back to starship duty was to move her back to a captain rank. So there were limited possibilities in what a writer could do with her in San Francisco. But you have an Admiral leading the task force back to the Delta Quadrant?

Were there ever any internal discussions of this Admiral being Janeway? Or was the course for the Voyager re-re-launch set after work on Before Dishonor was complete?

The course was set after Before Dishonor, yes.

 

[JustKate]

I have no problem with Chakotay, aside from him being a little boring.

But I want Beltran gone.

Ah, I missed the subtlety of your request. Well, that's not a problem with the books, you know. I mean...you do realize that it's the character who is/has been/will be in the books, not the actor, right? Just checking...

 

[USS Triumphant]

Ah, I missed the subtlety of your request. Well, that's not a problem with the books, you know. I mean...you do realize that it's the character who is/has been/will be in the books, not the actor, right? Just checking...

Yes. But I want no chance of him getting any future Trek screentime, either.

Quick! Get J.J. on the phone, we need to recast his character, pronto!

 

[Gates]

"Yes. As long as it makes sense for the story"
I want her back, but I don't want to see a Dallas shower scene pulled to do it.

 

[JustKate]

Ah, I missed the subtlety of your request. Well, that's not a problem with the books, you know. I mean...you do realize that it's the character who is/has been/will be in the books, not the actor, right? Just checking...

Yes. But I want no chance of him getting any future Trek screentime, either.

Quick! Get J.J. on the phone, we need to recast his character, pronto!

Well, still no deal from me. You'll have to see how you make out with the hardline Janeway fans.

I had no idea you were so powerful, Triumphant.

 

[JustKate]

"Yes. As long as it makes sense for the story"
I want her back, but I don't want to see a Dallas shower scene pulled to do it.

Not that I don't agree!