And sometimes you have to speak up and protest it publicly.
Poll: Bring Janeway back?
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And sometimes you have to speak up and protest it publicly.
Five more years of complaining is also unacceptable. Margaret, give them what they want! Make it stop!
But be careful what you wish for, Brit. You might get it. As Uhura once said.
WTF? Some random person. woo hoo now I really want to buy the books!
Well, that's your opinion. Mine is that Tuvok is being much better served in the Titan books than he was in the first four Voyager relaunch novels, and he's getting more character development there than he generally did onscreen. What would be gained by having him go back to being a minor character in Voyager?
I guess time for me to post half a dozen threads demanding those family members back then, and maybe some polls...
Or I could just, y'know, find something else to do.
Fiction-wise I watched ER from the start, until George Clooney and Julianna Margulies left, after which the show held no interest. Did I flame across the internet, demand them back, insist that it was the only way it would work, and bend everybody's ear a hundred times a day until I'd turned them off the characters and made them heartily sick?
No, I just found something else to watch.
It happens, deal with it, move on; that's what life is.
Although I'm firmly of the Opinion that Janeway should stay dead now that she is, after reading the various spoilers through this thread I am having trouble seeing why Janeway and Chakotay couldn't have been used for the series new direction (the answer is, of course, that they could but that's not the direction pocket have gone).
I take it that the casulty list in A Singular Destiny was wrong then if B'lanna and Miral are on Voyager for it's Delta Quadrent return.
You have GOT to be kidding me. Holy crap.
I used to love a girl named Patricia. I used to have a best friend named Nik. I adored my first 3 years at Rice University. I loved the first 2 years of my job. I loved the first season of Heroes. I loved the first decade+ of Star Wars novels.
And you know what?
Patricia and I grew apart, so we broke up. Nik and I stopped having common interests, so we slowly drifted apart. I hated my senior year at Rice, so I got through it and left happily. I hated the third year of my job, my original boss had left, so I left and got another one. I hated the second year of Heroes, so I stopped watching. And I hated the most recent couple years of SW novels, so I stopped reading.
And now I have a new fiancee, new friends, a better job (admittedly, somewhat easier to change jobs when one is a teacher, but either way), other TV shows, and other books that I read.
The one thing that you can guarantee in life is that absolutely everything changes. And aside from perhaps marriage or a job you hate but you know you need, I can't IMAGINE whining this much about ANYTHING. "Speak up and protest it publicly" my ass. Are you getting any joy out of this at all? Entertainment is supposed to be for escapism; an argument I've seen many pro-Janeway people specifically espouse. If you're not enjoying it, then find something else!
Life is short. There are a million stories out there; go find one and move the hell on!
I love being here and talking about these books because they add to my enjoyment of the whole thing; it helps my escapism, gives me more ways to look at my entertainment. But man, let me tell you - if Janeway came back and starred in a line of romance novels, I would find that completely lame. And then...I just wouldn't read the damn things!
There are like a dozen Janeway threads at this point, and a lot of them have extremely interesting conversations, which have made me look at the character in a whole new light over the last couple months. I've read a few more Janeway-centric books, and developed a new appreciation. That's why I'm here in the first place - to further my appreciation of this thing that I love.
But then people keep posting that they're "protesting" this like it's some kind of huge injustice, and it gets on my nerves. I'm here to appreciate something I like; I can't imagine anyone spending time going to a place specifically designed to fulfill that sort of need and then spending all their time protesting a creative decision from someone that clearly isn't listening or interested in changing their mind. It's inane.
The point of entertainment is to entertain you. How is anyone getting any joy out of this at all?
But then people keep posting that they're "protesting" this like it's some kind of huge injustice, and it gets on my nerves. I'm here to appreciate something I like; I can't imagine anyone spending time going to a place specifically designed to fulfill that sort of need and then spending all their time protesting a creative decision from someone that clearly isn't listening or interested in changing their mind. It's inane.
The point of entertainment is to entertain you. How is anyone getting any joy out of this at all?
Are you kidding?
Who is Captain Afsarah Eden?
Why are they going back to the Delta Quadrant?
Why is Chakotay dead (a story I haven't read so far)?
If it's true, that hardly any original characters appear as main stars in the novels, I also think that the Star Trek: Voyager relaunch can be stopped at all. Like someone put in here: We care more about the characters than about the ship itself.
Who is Captain Afsarah Eden?
Why are they going back to the Delta Quadrant?
Why is Chakotay dead (a story I haven't read so far)?
If it's true, that hardly any original characters appear as main stars in the novels, I also think that the Star Trek: Voyager relaunch can be stopped at all. Like someone put in here: We care more about the characters than about the ship itself.
The irony is that, while that may be true, it is equally ridiculous to continue to argue the opposing viewpoint with those fans who are also clearly not listening or interested in changing their minds.
This is how things have progressed:
Janeways' death sucks.
No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
...
And interspersed throughout that are the "No it doesn't" people saying "you keep saying 'yes it does' but saying that over and over is ridiculous." All the while not at all acknowledging that they are doing the same thing.
The simple fact of the matter is that they can voice their disapproval all they want. This is, afterall, a discussion board for Star Trek and this forum specifically for the Books/Magazines/Comics. If their protests or arguments are a waste of time because there are other more important things in life, then let's be brutally honest, this entire forum is a waste of time, as there are more important things in life than Star Trek and discussing it.
As for this thread being like other threads... It is only this way because you all (that's right BOTH sides of this argument) have made it that way. The original topic each of the threads that still remain open are all quite different but may have a basis in something similar.
Remember these forums are what you all make of them. Every time death comes up at all everyone jumps right on Janeway's death. Every time Voyager at all ever comes up Janeway's death is the primary focus now. And lord forbid we get a Before Dishonor review thread in here ever again, Janeway will be the center of attention there too, nevermind that the book had A LOT of other things to talk about.
I can understand that completely. But this was meant to be a poll about if Janeway should be brought back. This poll is one of the kind so far, so I think there is a room for it on this board. It is another matter entirely to which directions discussions continue to develop.
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LightningStorm - you have a point.
Here's where I'm coming from. I have a stressful and very important job; I teach high school in inner-city LA. I will straight-up say that I use Trek, particularly TrekLit, to get my mind off my job; I love it, and I think it's important, but I don't want to think about it all the time. But I have a very active brain, and I like talking about these things in depth.
Critical opinions are an enormous part of that; one can't appreciate the good without acknowledging the bad. I personally have several books that I didn't like that I've talked about on here a few times. I like those conversations too; I even like conversations with people that hate the fact that Janeway ever died. I genuinely enjoyed the first big, long thread about this a couple months ago, with Lynx's first appearance, etc. It helped me clarify my own opinions.
But at this point, I feel the discussion has already taken place, and all that's left is endless constant reminders of how the pro-Janeway side feels. If any of them would read Full Circle and then talk about it, I'd love to participate in that, even if they hated it, but so much of it right now is just reiterating over and over that they're going to be here yelling about Janeway dying if they want to be.
And while you are correct, they have that right...I mean, just coming at this pragmatically, the earliest that plot details could leak about a book in which Janeway would return is roughly speaking nine months away. I don't have any interest in reading or participating in the same bitter arguments for nine more months.
So today, I made an attempt to argue that anyone still here Protesting Janeway's Death was missing the point. I apologize if that keeps us moving around in circles, but I'll say I've participated in many conversations about the other aspects of Before Dishonor and other good things about Janeway and Voyager as well, several times.
But the difference is, I'm going to be here for many other reasons as well, and I feel I have an interest in this community being a place that I enjoy, to supplement the escape I get from the entertainment itself. I'd like to read Voyager threads about other topics, I'd like to have a discussion about Full Circle's pluses and minuses when it comes out, and all the other books too. But people on here saying "I won't read any TrekLit until they bring Janeway back" are on here for no other purpose, and literally don't have any other point they COULD make for at least nine more months.
And THAT I find objectionable; that's not a discussion. I, personally, find that antithetical to the purpose of a discussion board in the first place.
Here's where I'm coming from. I have a stressful and very important job; I teach high school in inner-city LA. I will straight-up say that I use Trek, particularly TrekLit, to get my mind off my job; I love it, and I think it's important, but I don't want to think about it all the time. But I have a very active brain, and I like talking about these things in depth.
Critical opinions are an enormous part of that; one can't appreciate the good without acknowledging the bad. I personally have several books that I didn't like that I've talked about on here a few times. I like those conversations too; I even like conversations with people that hate the fact that Janeway ever died. I genuinely enjoyed the first big, long thread about this a couple months ago, with Lynx's first appearance, etc. It helped me clarify my own opinions.
But at this point, I feel the discussion has already taken place, and all that's left is endless constant reminders of how the pro-Janeway side feels. If any of them would read Full Circle and then talk about it, I'd love to participate in that, even if they hated it, but so much of it right now is just reiterating over and over that they're going to be here yelling about Janeway dying if they want to be.
And while you are correct, they have that right...I mean, just coming at this pragmatically, the earliest that plot details could leak about a book in which Janeway would return is roughly speaking nine months away. I don't have any interest in reading or participating in the same bitter arguments for nine more months.
So today, I made an attempt to argue that anyone still here Protesting Janeway's Death was missing the point. I apologize if that keeps us moving around in circles, but I'll say I've participated in many conversations about the other aspects of Before Dishonor and other good things about Janeway and Voyager as well, several times.
But the difference is, I'm going to be here for many other reasons as well, and I feel I have an interest in this community being a place that I enjoy, to supplement the escape I get from the entertainment itself. I'd like to read Voyager threads about other topics, I'd like to have a discussion about Full Circle's pluses and minuses when it comes out, and all the other books too. But people on here saying "I won't read any TrekLit until they bring Janeway back" are on here for no other purpose, and literally don't have any other point they COULD make for at least nine more months.
And THAT I find objectionable; that's not a discussion. I, personally, find that antithetical to the purpose of a discussion board in the first place.
No one on this page has talked about the poll once. Whatever the conversation was, it moved in a different direction before I made my post.
I have to say that even though I'd like Janeway to come back, too, so long as it makes for a good and reasonably plausible story (using the Trek definition of "plausible," of course 
), I think Thrawn has made some great points, he's done so politely and very articulately, and he's made me think, and what's the point of any sort of conversation if it doesn't make you think at least a little bit?
), I think Thrawn has made some great points, he's done so politely and very articulately, and he's made me think, and what's the point of any sort of conversation if it doesn't make you think at least a little bit?
Well for the poll I chose "No". I like Janeway, so because of that her death made an impact and felt real. I also chose "No" because I'm sick of every franchise and medium bringing back every dead character (exaggeration I know, but man it's too common).
Having said that, I appreciate that others want her to come back, and this is the kind of place where we voice our opinions on such things. Maybe it's that my patience hasn't worn out yet, but as long as people aren't being jerks about it and giving reasonable discussion, then it doesn't bother me.
And after having read the synopsis for the new book, I really wish that Admiral in command of the fleet was Janeway. Man what a missed opportunity.
Having said that, I appreciate that others want her to come back, and this is the kind of place where we voice our opinions on such things. Maybe it's that my patience hasn't worn out yet, but as long as people aren't being jerks about it and giving reasonable discussion, then it doesn't bother me.
And after having read the synopsis for the new book, I really wish that Admiral in command of the fleet was Janeway. Man what a missed opportunity.
No one cares about your Patricia and Nik on Trek board, I'm afraid.
If you don't want to post on Janeway threads, don't. It's one way of "killing a thread", you know, not contributing.
I don't know Patricia or Nik but I find your posts thoughtful and balanced - even though I don't always agree with you.
No one cares about your Patricia and Nik on Trek board, I'm afraid.
If you don't want to post on Janeway threads, don't. It's one way of "killing a thread", you know, not contributing.
I don't know Patricia or Nik but I find your posts thoughtful and balanced - even though I don't always agree with you.
Thank you. That was very nice comment from you.
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