Ah, thanks - I generally don't bother with the abbreviations. 
And the mods don't thwop for that.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
And the mods don't thwop for that.Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Poll: Bring Janeway back?
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Ah, thanks - I generally don't bother with the abbreviations.
Oh right. Thanks. I should've known that, actually. Probably projecting latent fear of my mother hearing me swearing.
As for the spoiler, you are joking aren't you?
Because if that information is true, then the whole "Voyager" relaunch has been turned into a b****y joke!
But in that case, I would really like to contribute to te amazing adventures of the ship and it's crew by suggesting a scenario I've presented in another post:
My suggestion for further storytelling about the Voyager crew if the current trend with killing off main characters will continue has some connection to the "bogus Fleetwood Mac" who caused a scandal many years ago which I wrote about in another post some time ago (due to some commotion in the band and the risk of having to cancel an US tour, the manager put together a bogus Fleetwood Mac to do the tour which wasn't appreciated by those who attended the concerts. Faced with angry fans and journalists, the manager lost his temper and exclaimed: "I have the rights to the band name! I am Fleetwod Mac!)
So let's imagine that Chakotay and Kim are gone from the ship as well, maybe killed off (who needs main characters from the TV series anyway) and the ship have a new captain. Faced with an angry B'Elanna Torres who is furious over the fact that she and Tom haven't been accepted as crew members and also enraged by the fact that the new chief engineer's errors was the main reason for the death of Chakotay and Kim, the new captain loses his temper, bangs his fist on the table in front of Torres and screams. "This is my ship, I'm in charge here and I decide who's a crew member or not! I am Voyager!
And no, I won't charge the writer who uses that scenario.
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Verklempt?
Anyway, if it means what I do think it means, then the reason for it is years of constant frustration with how the Star trek characters in general and the Voyager characters in particular are treated by "those in charge".
First they kick out Kes, then they bring her back-only to humiliate and destroy the character. Still I keep up my interest for the show.
Then the TV series finally ends (after further screwing up by those in charge), the Relaunch starts and with that some hopes for a better future when it comes to Voyager.
OK, C/7 went out of the window which was a good sign but then the crew is split up, no decent Kes-come back and the whole thing turns out to be something of a dissapointment. Still I stick around and wait for better times.
And now Janeway is killed off and all hopes for an interesting and acceptable continuation of the Voyager saga is out of the window too.
No surprise that I get "verklempt" from time to time. I see that as a sign of sanity. As long as I still can stand up and protest against the craziness, then I'm at least alive and well!
Because... "Full Circle" hasn't even been published yet!
Or, indeed, "Blake's Seven", which survived several years without Blake and without eight regular cast members.
they should bring her back and then kill her all over again. she should be the Phoenix of ST. bring her back every few years and then whack her again.
they should bring her back and then kill her all over again. she should be the Phoenix of ST. bring her back every few years and then whack her again.
gandalf the "janeway"?
They do, repeatedly, and by name. Under the "Browse Sample Pages" section you can see practically the entire book. If reading ahead doesn't bother you, every plot point and character in Full Circle can be found.
With most of the crew gone it's just not Voyager so I rather agree with Lynx - they should rename the line.
It may be the name of the ship, but it's has zero to do with the show - apart from the ship of course.
Ever hear of a show called Deep Space Nine? When Pocket started the post-finale series, they didn't have half the series regulars, because of the events of the finale. But they didn't change the series title. Instead, they introduced several new characters and went on to tell stories that were completely true to the spirit of Deep Space Nine.
As for Voyager... the idea that Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, Seven, the holodoc, Tom Paris, Harry Kim, and B'Elanna Torres (with or without Neelix and Kes) would stick together and have a bunch of adventures together on the same ship following their return home strikes me as not only ridiculously limiting but also completely untrue to the series premise and characters. They didn't all want to be on that ship together. Several of them weren't supposed to be on that ship. It makes no sense for them all to team up and head off together again. The books following the finale have to be different from the series status quo, because the finale changed everything and they can't go back.
How about Blake's 7. Very quickly you got to the point where there weren't 7 of them and Blake wasn't around either.
Or Mystery Science Theater 3000 when Joel was replaced by Mike and several seasons later they got new Mads.
That's because those actors wanted to leave.
Besides, Avon was by far the most popular character; if Paul Darrow had left the show, it would have been a whole other ballgame.
And killing off all the main characters in the finale, was a stupid thing to do.
I suspect it was the main reason they didn't want to do a sequel.
With most of the crew gone it's just not Voyager so I rather agree with Lynx - they should rename the line.
It may be the name of the ship, but it's has zero to do with the show - apart from the ship of course.
Ever hear of a show called Deep Space Nine? When Pocket started the post-finale series, they didn't have half the series regulars, because of the events of the finale. But they didn't change the series title. Instead, they introduced several new characters and went on to tell stories that were completely true to the spirit of Deep Space Nine.
As for Voyager... the idea that Janeway, Chakotay, Tuvok, Seven, the holodoc, Tom Paris, Harry Kim, and B'Elanna Torres (with or without Neelix and Kes) would stick together and have a bunch of adventures together on the same ship following their return home strikes me as not only ridiculously limiting but also completely untrue to the series premise and characters. They didn't all want to be on that ship together. Several of them weren't supposed to be on that ship. It makes no sense for them all to team up and head off together again. The books following the finale have to be different from the series status quo, because the finale changed everything and they can't go back.
Well, in that case they should consider to scrap the whole thing. Why have a "Voyager" relaunch if the main characters from the series aren't around? I mean, I have no interest in reading about characters who weren't involved in the series. OK, I could read about them just because I happened to like some of the characters, maybe "Captain Bogus Fleetwood" and his constant outburst of anger when he screams "I have the rights to the ship, I command this ship! I am Voyager!"
but I wouldn't regard it as a "Voyager" relaunch or see any connection to the real Voyager series, just some silly offspring.And in that case, they could as well create a totally new ship with a new crew without any of the characters from the TV show, then maybe they could make it the "dark" series which some fans seem to like.
Personally I wouldn't mind if they did come up wit some reason for keepng the original characters together. I might figure out such a solution myself because it looks like I have to write my own stories if I want something new and exciting to read.
Relaunching "Voyager" would seem to me mean relaunching the ship (It's not called the Janeway relaunch afterall)
also sending the Voyager back to the DQ makes sense, as it is recognisable to many aliens there, however sending the crew back would be very unlikely, they spent 7 years trying to get away from there, why would they want to go back?
also sending the Voyager back to the DQ makes sense, as it is recognisable to many aliens there, however sending the crew back would be very unlikely, they spent 7 years trying to get away from there, why would they want to go back?
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That seems a bit strange to me, tbh. I mean, there're already loads of shipboard Trek novels. It seems like it'd be more interesting to follow the lives of the characters - offship and seperated though they be. But I suppose setting it in the DQ is the "Voyager-esque" hook here.
I suppose that the Voyager crew would still appear in the "Alpha Quadrant" based novels, like Tuvok in Titan and in the crossover series, at least that would be my guess.
Yeah I want to follow the old gang.
Besides having Voyager head back to the DQ on purpose sounds a lot like Titan doing its exploring thing.
Sounds vaguely lazy to me - space is really really really really really really big - how many people would remember this single ship that more than likely whizzed through their space one afternoon?
Still it's all in the telling, once I've read the book it might seem like the most natural thing in the world. I guess that's creepy old nonce Neelix will be making a show, if he's not in some space prison for sex offenders.
It gives me the prologue up until Chuckles meets Mark, and that's it.
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