POLL: Best X-men movie?

[Siwilliams]

While I am on your side and all, at this point I think there's just no point in arguing the merits of either movie. Didn't X3 come out like two years ago? I'm sure that since then, proponents have argued in favor of it over X2 very logically and passionately, and the proponents of X2 have responded in kind, but nobody's mind has been changed. I don't think this time will yield any different results. So, we've got our copies of X3, they've got their copies of X2, let's just let each other alone, and not try to spoil the other person's movie, deal?

But when are they going to releaes X3 two disc special edition on dvd?

Yeah, I'd definitely go for that too. I thought they already have some kind of special-edition-bunch-of-features kind of thing, though?

I think it was a comic book with the dvd

But when are they going to releaes X3 two disc special edition on dvd?

Yeah, I'd definitely go for that too. I thought they already have some kind of special-edition-bunch-of-features kind of thing, though?

There is, and there isn't.

X3 had two DVD releases when it was launched - one intentional the other unintentional. There was a 2 disc version released; however, two versions of it (and you didn't know which version you had until after the fact). One version had all of the features expected, but only a handful of bonus features (deleted scenes, documentaries, etc.). There were a few released by accident with the full deleted scenes, documentaries, etc. Now the limited version is available with the one including all of the deleted scenes is extremely rare. I was lucky and got a copy with all the deleted scenes.

The copy I have is one disc, and has the characters on the cover, as opposed to the one with Wolverine's three claws on the cover. Didn't the one come with a comic book, not a dvd?

 

[exodus]

You know, I'm guessing that this is in response to the comments in the X4 thread. I don't really see what the point is of having a poll to indicate what everyone already knows: simply that more people prefer X2. Does that mean I should admit that I'm wrong and start disliking X3? I think not. Different people have different tastes, and the fact is, you can't objectively prove that one movie is bad, or that it's artistically worse than any other. Some people hate Armageddon, for instance, but a lot of people love it. You won't find any consensus there. I, personally, think that X3 satisfied exactly what I'm looking for in a superhero movie (and not just in the action), and if everyone else in the world thought it was crap, I would still choose it over X2 any day. Why can't we just agree to disagree?

Why can't we do a poll without people reading too much into it?

 

[Ethros]

X-Men 2 (is there an echo in here?)


X1 is great but no 2. 3 would be great if it weren't about 15 minutes long. Why the fuck is it so short?

 

[exodus]

X-Men 2 (is there an echo in here?)


X1 is great but no 2. 3 would be great if it weren't about 15 minutes long. Why the fuck is it so short?

2 possable reasons.

1- Production problems. They were still casting & writing the script as they were filming due to FOX setting a release date before everything was finalized. So they only had a small window of time to get everything done before then.

2-Shorter film run time in the theater means they can have more show times of the film while still charging the same price, causing the film to make more money over a film with a longer run time that will be shown less frequently.

It's a round about way of the studio showing a lack of faith in the film but making it shorter gives them a better guarentee to make back production cost, which would still make it a hit in their eyes. It's the reason both Fantastic Four films only ran a little over an hour.

 

[Trent Roman]

While I did enjoy X2 (X3 was a let-down apart from the fight sequences), I voted for the first film. I enjoyed the scope of that film, the social/political contestation largely absent from the second film, the coming together of the characters and the sense of discovery, particularly as mediated through Rogue, as they discover what they can do and that there's an entire community of similar individuals.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[crouteru]

Definately X2 for having more impressive action scenes/fights and a really great storyline.

 

[Ethros]

I pretty much understood, it was more of a rheotorical question.
That's what I really don't like about all these summer blockbusters now, having release dates sorted about 3 years before the film comes out. Before any script, casting, director, anything has been sorted. So if any problems arise they're fucked and you end up with gash like X3

One of the reasons I have doubts about all these Iron Man, Avengers, Captain America etc films. I'm looking forward to them, but just wait until the thing is bloody ready. Pencil in "Summer 2010" fine, but to use permanent marker on a specific date is dumb and just shows all anyone cares about is chasing the yankee dollar rather than making an actually good film

 

[Barbados Slim]

X-Men was good, but a bit pedestrian on the action side. Too much of it looked soundstagey, especially the finale.

X2 by far. Just judging it on it's merits and not how it fit as a trilogy. It had some great action set pieces:

The White House attack, which is one of the greatest movie openings ever.
The mansion raid.
Magneto's escape.
Pyro vs. the police cars.
Storm vs. F-16s
Mystique vs. Styker's minions.
Logan vs. Deathstrike.

All that and great character moments. Bobby's coming out scene was brilliant. The only shortcoming that X2 had for me was that they shortchanged Cyclops.

X3 suffered from immediately killing Scott and Professor X, making Jean into a blank-slate of a character, marginalizing Rogue and depowering Mystique. These things took the heart away from the movie. The rest just seemed empty and soulless. The two things I liked was Kelsey as The Beast and Ellen Page as Kitty Pride. And the end battle is both very stupid (flying the Golden Gate bridge to Alcatraz is asinine!) and looks like total soundstage shit.

 

[T'Baio]

Does that mean I should admit that I'm wrong and start disliking X3?

Yes.

...you can't objectively prove that one movie is bad...

Yes, you can.

 

[CaptainCanada]

X2's the best; I like X3 way, way more than most do, though. The way the two plots are both crammed in are rather awkward, but it has a lot of great material, I think.

I would say: None of the Above.

Why? Because they got it wrong from the very start. And more recent news indicates they have realized this, considering the successes of Marvel Studios' first two forays into films that adhere closer to the source material. I hope they have finally realized if you don't tinker with the concept as much as Bryan Singer did, you actually get a more appealing and successful film adaptation. You don't ditch the costumes and you don't cherry pick the characters you are using if you are starting up a franchise as it muddies up your later adaptations. I really hope this latest news indicates they plan on rebooting the franchise ala Batman Begins and will use the real original X-Men of Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Angel, Beast and Iceman.

Will never happen; you adhere to the source material when it's successful. The original X-Men got cancelled; they were a failure as a property, which was later bolstered by adding a bunch of other characters.

Plus, the original lineup is 100% white middle-American with only one girl, so that also wouldn't fly.

 

[suarezguy]

The first one. I loved how accessible it was, particularly with the good characters of Wolverine, Rogue and Magneto, and the music, effects and action were also pretty fun. Iceman, Cox and McKellen were good in the 2nd but it feels kind of simple without being involving, stretched out, especially the third act (Wolverine fighting another invulnerable mutant felt futile). The third had Jackman and McKellen going through the motions (Rogue's story was OK).

 

[RookieBatman]

You know, I'm guessing that this is in response to the comments in the X4 thread. I don't really see what the point is of having a poll to indicate what everyone already knows: simply that more people prefer X2. Does that mean I should admit that I'm wrong and start disliking X3? I think not. Different people have different tastes, and the fact is, you can't objectively prove that one movie is bad, or that it's artistically worse than any other. Some people hate Armageddon, for instance, but a lot of people love it. You won't find any consensus there. I, personally, think that X3 satisfied exactly what I'm looking for in a superhero movie (and not just in the action), and if everyone else in the world thought it was crap, I would still choose it over X2 any day. Why can't we just agree to disagree?

Why can't we do a poll without people reading too much into it?

Because the poll was started at the same time as a discussion on the subject in another thread, by one of the posters involved in the discussion.

Oh, and T'Baio, your logic was so flawless, I just smashed my copy of X3 into little pieces!


...And now I remember why I stopped coming to this place.

 

[exodus]

You know, I'm guessing that this is in response to the comments in the X4 thread. I don't really see what the point is of having a poll to indicate what everyone already knows: simply that more people prefer X2. Does that mean I should admit that I'm wrong and start disliking X3? I think not. Different people have different tastes, and the fact is, you can't objectively prove that one movie is bad, or that it's artistically worse than any other. Some people hate Armageddon, for instance, but a lot of people love it. You won't find any consensus there. I, personally, think that X3 satisfied exactly what I'm looking for in a superhero movie (and not just in the action), and if everyone else in the world thought it was crap, I would still choose it over X2 any day. Why can't we just agree to disagree?

Why can't we do a poll without people reading too much into it?

Because the poll was started at the same time as a discussion on the subject in another thread, by one of the posters involved in the discussion.

Oh, and T'Baio, your logic was so flawless, I just smashed my copy of X3 into little pieces!


...And now I remember why I stopped coming to this place.

If you can't tolerate anothers opinion just about a movie, how do you ever handle the real stresses of life?

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

My favorite film of the series is the 1st one. It has all kinds of great character moments. Any scene with Wolverine & Rogue together is golden! Magneto has some great scenes. The overall metaphor of the mutants is at its strongest here. The only complaint is that it's a bit light on the action but I can forgive that because the emotion is so rock solid.

X2 has a lot of good moments too. It amped up the action quotient considerably but it also lost many of the quiet character moments, although Nightcrawler & Pyro both get some pretty good bits here & there. Brian Cox is an absolute joy as Col. Stryker and became one of my favorite actors because of this movie. The ending with Jean Grey is a fantastic set up for things to come.

Unfortunately, X-Men: The Last Stand wasn't quite able to realize that promise. It suffered from mixing the cure storyline, which was kinda boring, with the Phoenix storyline, which was stripped down so much that it lost most of its punch. Brett Ratner isn't as effective with the quiet, emotional moments as Bryan Singer was. However, when the pathos goes into epic melodrama mode, it's actually even better than the first 2 movies. My favorite scenes are when Phoenix kills Professor Xavier and when Wolverine kills Phoenix. Both are telegraphing their emotions in BIG, BOLD LETTERS but, somehow, I buy it.

So, in short...
1. X-Men
2. X2
3. X-Men: The Last Stand

 

[T'Baio]

Oh, and T'Baio, your logic was so flawless, I just smashed my copy of X3 into little pieces!

Excellent, another victory.

I'm not going to take the time to explain how a film can categorically be defined as bad and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. You want to know how and why, go to film school. Film is not just an art, it's a science, technological and psychological.

 

[Siwilliams]

Oh, and T'Baio, your logic was so flawless, I just smashed my copy of X3 into little pieces!

Excellent, another victory.

I'm not going to take the time to explain how a film can categorically be defined as bad and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. You want to know how and why, go to film school. Film is not just an art, it's a science, technological and psychological.

And films are meant to be fun X3 excelled in that

 

[roguephoenix]

Oh, and T'Baio, your logic was so flawless, I just smashed my copy of X3 into little pieces!

Excellent, another victory.

I'm not going to take the time to explain how a film can categorically be defined as bad and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. You want to know how and why, go to film school. Film is not just an art, it's a science, technological and psychological.

And films are meant to be fun X3 excelled in that

good films are meant to be MORE than just fun. they are meant to make people feel the emotions conveyed. x2 was both. x3 lacked the latter. enough movies are made just for fun. this was not meant to be one of those fluff films, but due to the writing and directing that's how it turned out. ANY serious-type/drama-type comic book movie needs both fun and emotion as both are present in the comics themselves. one without the other makes for an unsuccessful movie conversion.

 

[Siwilliams]

Excellent, another victory.

I'm not going to take the time to explain how a film can categorically be defined as bad and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. You want to know how and why, go to film school. Film is not just an art, it's a science, technological and psychological.

And films are meant to be fun X3 excelled in that

good films are meant to be MORE than just fun. they are meant to make people feel the emotions conveyed.

No I don't agree with that at all, that is not escapism, which is what movies are suppose to be and X3 did that

 

[roguephoenix]

And films are meant to be fun X3 excelled in that

good films are meant to be MORE than just fun. they are meant to make people feel the emotions conveyed.

No I don't agree with that at all, that is not escapism, which is what movies are suppose to be and X3 did that

umm... movies are a form of art. art is meant to express some feeling or emotion. if they don't do that for you then either the movie was not executed properly or it's not for you. "escapism" is only one aspect of a film. if that's the only thing you're looking for in a movie, then that's all you'll enjoy. probably why some aspects of x1 and x2 didn't appeal to you since most of it dealt with emotions. but movies are NOT just supposed to be an escape. although there are a lot of movies done just for the sole purpose of fun and escape. x-men, however, is not one of those. at least not intentionally, because the source material is more dramatic in nature.

 

[Siwilliams]

good films are meant to be MORE than just fun. they are meant to make people feel the emotions conveyed.

No I don't agree with that at all, that is not escapism, which is what movies are suppose to be and X3 did that

umm... movies are a form of art. art is meant to express some feeling or emotion. if they don't do that for you then either the movie was not executed properly or it's not for you. "escapism" is only one aspect of a film. if that's the only thing you're looking for in a movie, then that's all you'll enjoy. probably why some aspects of x1 and x2 didn't appeal to you since most of it dealt with emotions. but movies are NOT just supposed to be an escape.

X 3 is a result of 1 and 2, the war they keep talking about and the cure, it achieved its purpose