Please...no revenge this time.

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Not having alternate reality TV episodic opportunities to have what amounts to the length of 8-10 films spent on a humor story, then a societal commentary, then a criminal chase, then a romance, as TOS did, they have to pick their stories carefully. You could have TVH, a lighthearted film because there were all those serious stories in the TV episodes to balance it out. Aside from lit, Kelvinverse stories have to make an impact - these aren't versions of the characters we've seen in a TV show who are reuniting, these are new versions we were just introduced to 8 years ago, for 2 hours or so, then again 4 years ago, and again 1 year ago. 6 hours + versus 100 or so of TOS.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'd say Khan was only driven by brief, utterly psychotic bursts of revenge - both times when he thought his people had been murdered (when he attacked the meeting at Starfleet HQ and when he crashed the USS Vengeance into San Francisco) Otherwise, he was working to free his people from Admiral Marcus.

I'm not sure what Edison was thinking. He was trying to prove to the Federation that they were better off as individuals than as a group, by attacking the Enterprise and then Yorktown with alien technology, while transformed into aliens themselves... I'm not sure how that proves anything, but I guess he was mad at the Federation for existing and never finding him, so I guess it's a bit revenge-y.

Perhaps the next baddie should be a serial killer killer, using mass murder to try to rid the galaxy of all it's megalomaniacal revenge mass murderers.

 

[Nyotarules]

So far Nero has wanted revenge, Khan has wanted revenge, Edison has wanted revenge...anybody else want another motive for our next antagonist?

Yeah, revenge of the nerds

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

So Generations was in fact the last Trek movie that wasn't about revenge at all.

A villain and a hero motivated by denial and cheating death/time.

 

[shapeshifter]

Perhaps the next baddie should be a serial killer killer, using mass murder to try to rid the galaxy of all it's megalomaniacal revenge mass murderers.

Kelvinverse version of Redjac.

 

[The Wormhole]

Perhaps the next baddie should be a serial killer killer, using mass murder to try to rid the galaxy of all it's megalomaniacal revenge mass murderers.

The next movie is a remake of Conscience of the King in which Kodos the Executioner rationalizes his actions on Tarsus IV as "they were probably murderers among the people I executed. Can you prove there weren't?"

 

[M-Red]

The discovery of an ancient Iconian Gateway sparks conflict as Starfleet and the Klingons struggle to control its potential power.

A small group of remaining Iconians emerge to embarrass both sides with vastly superior technology. The Iconians destroy their old Gateway, telling both sides they are too primitive to control such a device.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The next movie is a remake of Conscience of the King

If they want to bring in Riley to replace Chekov...but it'd lose some of its punch if Kirk wasn't there at the time of the massacre. Unless Nero's incursion shifted the event ahead in time to 2263+...

 

[Ovation]

Perhaps the next baddie should be a serial killer killer, using mass murder to try to rid the galaxy of all it's megalomaniacal revenge mass murderers.

So, Dexter in space?

 

[Smellmet]

Honestly, I'd be happy with a force of nature TMP style threat, but if they must cast someone in the role of an antagonist, and I can see why film makers do - it can be an effective marketing tool, then just someone who has other motives, goals of their own they want to achieve, like say Kruge. It's not rocket science.

 

[Ridcully]

Return of the dried up plotdevice.

These are the voyages of the canonists.

The formularic frontier.

The undiscovered scroll of the great bird in space.

The search for Trekkies...

All must look like the 60's and all must be like it always was!

No bloody A' and B's...etc etc....aye

 

[Tallguy]

Return of the dried up plotdevice.

These are the voyages of the canonists.

The formularic frontier.

The undiscovered scroll of the great bird in space.

The search for Trekkies...

All must look like the 60's and all must be like it always was!

No bloody A' and B's...etc etc....aye

I'm OK with a few of these.

 

[Leathco]

Bring in Harry Mudd, he could accidentally activate a time portal that brings in the Enterprise-D (Kelvin universe D), along with some baddies from the TNG era? I don't wanna say borg, but than again we have only had one borg movie, but perhaps thats enough. How about Klingons, a new galaxy ripe for conquest, or one of the Delta quadrant baddies?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Bring in Harry Mudd, he could accidentally activate a time portal that brings in the Enterprise-D (Kelvin universe D), along with some baddies from the TNG era? I don't wanna say borg, but than again we have only had one borg movie, but perhaps thats enough. How about Klingons, a new galaxy ripe for conquest, or one of the Delta quadrant baddies?

"You're mad!"

"I'm Mudd."

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The reason for having them travel back to 1986 was because it was that year when the film came out. If they made a similar time travel back to old Earth film, it would be to our time. But the differences might not be as glaring. A lot of the Trek tech could be (from a visual standpoint, anyway) confused with ours (tablet computers, phones, etc.)

It wouldn't be the "fish out of water" type thing in that case. They would have to play up Kirk's "terra incognito" line from TVH and totally run with it.

Meaning: Kirk and Spock have to sit through a security briefing about how to survive in 21st century America. The historian tells them:

"Gentlemen this is the most dangerous assignment you'll ever be on. Not because this is the most dangerous planet you've ever explored -- although it comes damn close -- but because you will see so many familiar sights and sounds that it is easy to forget where and when you really are. In case you forget, this is what you must keep in mind:

This is America, pre-war, pre-warp. The people around you are insecure, paranoid individualists leading lives of quiet desperation. Half of them have undiagnosed mental illnesses, and the other half are being treated for the wrong one. Half the population carries firearms and have no clear rules of engagement for how and when to use them, which means that if someone threatens you with a weapon, they will be deeply offended and enraged if you shoot back.

Law enforcement officers are fully organic, and are not particularly well trained. They're trained primarily to win gun fights, and not much else, so if you confuse them, frighten them, or startle them, they are likely to open fire. Again, any attempt to return fire will be seen as a massive escalation, but if you have to do it, keep your phasers on stun and exfil IMMEDIATELY.

In other words, gentlemen, this entire country is one giant minefield, and should you trigger one during your mission, all hell is going to break loose. Any questions?"​

 

[Crazy Eddie]

On second thought:
Do a retread of "Yesterday's Enterprise."

24th century: USS Enterprise-B, commanded by Jean Luc Picard, is going on its maiden voyage and seen off by Admiral Kirk (played by William Shatner, of course). Old Kirk gives Picard a very cryptic order: go to the Khitomer system and scan for temporal anomalies. Khitomer is the capitol world of the Klingon Confederacy, so he's confused about these orders.

Flashback 40 years:

Romulus invades the Qonos and curb stomps the entire empire, devastates their fleet, proceeds to glass their planet and then the outlying colonies one after another.

What's left of the Klingon fleet gathers at Khitomer, which becomes the last safe haven for their refugees. Starfleet sends the Enterprise to "observe" the situation, partially to give Starfleet eyes on the conflict but mostly to make sure the Klingon refugees don't go fleeing into Federation space. A small Romulan fleet gathers to attack the colony, and the klingon defenders are loosing... so Kirk decides, on his own initiative, to fly into the battle and help the Klingons.

Plot twist: the battle with the Romulans opens a temporal anomaly as predicted, and Kirk orders Picard to go through it. Enterprise-B arrives in time to save Enterprise-A and the two starships save the entire colony plus twenty million refugees. Picard tells Kirk that he's here because his older self ordered him to come here, and now Kirk knows that 40 years from now he's going to have to send his successor to reinforce himself on his maiden voyage. And the Klingons, touched and impressed by Starfleet's cleverness and compassion for a people who don't even like them, warm to the idea of joining the Federation and become full members a decade later.

And then the canonistas' heads explode.

 

[fireproof78]

What about "Wrath?" Would "Wrath work as a motivator?

Also, because I can't resist:

 

[Nyotarules]

And the Klingons, touched and impressed by Starfleet's cleverness and compassion for a people who don't even like them, warm to the idea of joining the Federation and become full members a decade later.

And as Eddington would say 'Assimilation complete'

 

[M.A.C.O.]

So far Nero has wanted revengen, Khan has wanted revenge, Edison has wanted revenge...anybody else want another motive for our next antagonist?

The last 6 Trek films have been about bad guys wanting revenge.

Beyond - Krall/Edison wanted revenge against the Federation. He took his frustations out on the Yorktown and the ENT.

STID - Harrison/Khan wanted revenge against Marcus and Starfleet. He took his frustrations out on Starfleet Command, San Fransisco, and the ENT.

ST09 - Nero wanted revenge against Spock and the Federation. He took his frustation out on the Kelvin, Vulcan, several Starfleet ships and the ENT.

NEM - Shinzon wanted revenge against Picard and the Federation. He took his frustration out the Romulans and ENT.

INS - Ru'afo wanted revenge against his former tribe and wanted the resources of their planet. He took his frustrations out on Doughtery, the Ba'ku and ENT.

So frustrated. Just listen.

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FC - The Borg Queen wanted revenge on Picard for denying her during TBOBW and for foiling her previous plans to assimilate Earth. Picard wanted revenge on the Borg for assimilating him and manipulating him. Both tried to take their frustations out on the ENT by trying to blow it up in their own way.

With the exception of INS, all the other films I listed riff TWOK in more ways than one.

 

[Ovation]

Not Trek V.