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Playstation 3 and the Yellow Light of DEATH

Have these kinds of issues cropped up with the PS4 or Xbone yet?

The PS4 had a specific batch with a "blue light of death", not all PS4's had the problem. It wasn't much of a problem beyond the few couple of months.

The White PS4 that came out this year has hardware revisions and is less likely to fail than the originals.

But come on, $400 is £260 and you complain you *only* got 6 full years heavy use out of it? 6 entire years is pretty damn good for that.

The only things I've ever owned that made it that length of time are my original DS this year, and it's just about surviving, and my original laptop, which was falling to pieces. This was is too at the 5.5 year mark.

6 years is the benchmark I use to replace anything that I intend to use for a 'long time'.

I don't know if I've said this before, but I am very frugal (read: cheap :D ), so when I buy an expensive piece of hardware, I expect it to last a very long time. Our family has always been in the lower income brackets, so money was always tight, and that Christmas game system, or that 19" TV had to last for many years because replacing it or even repairing it wasn't much of an option. That stays with me, which is why I see things as wasteful and poorly made, because they usually are.
 
You can get a lot done with *anything* in 6 years. And as you said the lifespan of electronics is not going to increase.

Either buy it knowing it lasts 6 years and play the hell out of it. Or don't buy it.
 
You can get a lot done with *anything* in 6 years. And as you said the lifespan of electronics is not going to increase.

Either buy it knowing it lasts 6 years and play the hell out of it. Or don't buy it.

The lifespan doesn't increase only because it's planned that way. That's why it's frustrating, because what you buy is made to be broken in a short span of time.

For example, the PS2 enjoyed a 13 year active lifespan (2000-2013), during the time which games were being released. Under the 6 years rule, you'd be on your 3rd PS2 by the time games for the system were no longer made. That's unacceptable, and people should be against the very idea.

To me, it shows a company that is either purposely, and openly, bilking its customers, or they're incompetent, neither of which speaks well of them, and neither of which should receive money for producing subpar hardware. The consumer mindset has become "I know you're ripping me off, but I want it," and very few can afford that mindset, but they do it anyway, and so it continues. That needs to stop. Eventually it will.
 
Taking some points from your post in reverse order...

Yeah, they don't have as heat-intensive hardware as the PS3 does, but the thing could have been designed a lot better to manage heat and not have thsse problems.
The PS3 is from the unfortunate era when electronics were first switching over to lead-free solders; the early formulas didn't always handle repeated thermal cycles (heating, cooling, repeating) very well. But there wasn't any way Sony could have foreseen that, given the tight timeframes Europe and other countries imposed for the switchover. There wasn't any time for long-term testing.

There's an old TV set that used to be my grandmother's (I'm talking OLD, this thing has a 20" screen, screw ports for connections and KNOBS, and little color adjustment knobs you manipulate with a jewler's screwdriver) so this thing is nearly 40 years old. Still works, doesn't see much use, obviously, but works.
That TV doesn't require active cooling, so there's no fans or other moving parts to go bad. And any solder would be lead-based.
 
Have these kinds of issues cropped up with the PS4 or Xbone yet?

The PS4 had a specific batch with a "blue light of death", not all PS4's had the problem. It wasn't much of a problem beyond the few couple of months.

The White PS4 that came out this year has hardware revisions and is less likely to fail than the originals.

But come on, $400 is £260 and you complain you *only* got 6 full years heavy use out of it? 6 entire years is pretty damn good for that.

The only things I've ever owned that made it that length of time are my original DS this year, and it's just about surviving, and my original laptop, which was falling to pieces. This was is too at the 5.5 year mark.

6 years is the benchmark I use to replace anything that I intend to use for a 'long time'.

I don't know if I've said this before, but I am very frugal (read: cheap :D ), so when I buy an expensive piece of hardware, I expect it to last a very long time. Our family has always been in the lower income brackets, so money was always tight, and that Christmas game system, or that 19" TV had to last for many years because replacing it or even repairing it wasn't much of an option. That stays with me, which is why I see things as wasteful and poorly made, because they usually are.
That's me too. It's an investment.

It's understandable that they wouldn't have made the lead-free soldier perfectly at first... but by now you'd think they'd do a better job at it.
 
It's understandable that they wouldn't have made the lead-free soldier perfectly at first... but by now you'd think they'd do a better job at it.
By now, they are. Six years ago, they weren't. It's not like the solder in existing consoles was magically replaced when they updated their formulas. :p
 
Have these kinds of issues cropped up with the PS4 or Xbone yet?
There were (extremely rare) issues with the release batch of XBONEs last year (i.e. day one purchases), where the console wouldn't start up at all.

Overall, failure rates at the moment are reported to be well below the expected industry averages of about 5-10 %.
 
Have these kinds of issues cropped up with the PS4 or Xbone yet?

The PS4 had a specific batch with a "blue light of death", not all PS4's had the problem. It wasn't much of a problem beyond the few couple of months.

The White PS4 that came out this year has hardware revisions and is less likely to fail than the originals.

But come on, $400 is £260 and you complain you *only* got 6 full years heavy use out of it? 6 entire years is pretty damn good for that.

The only things I've ever owned that made it that length of time are my original DS this year, and it's just about surviving, and my original laptop, which was falling to pieces. This was is too at the 5.5 year mark.

6 years is the benchmark I use to replace anything that I intend to use for a 'long time'.

Sorry, I think 6 years is a pretty short length of time for any piece of hardware that costs a good chunk of money. $400 is over half a week's pay for me (after taxes) so, yeah, not a great chunk of money to just drop without second-thinking it.

And I'd expect any piece of machinery you pay a good sum of money for to last a very long time, especially since the PS3's lifecycle is still technically going on in spite of PS4.

That people think 6-years is long enough for a piece of electronics that cost so much money is baffling to me. So, what, assuming there wasn't an easy solution I was supposed to just go out ans spend almost $300 on a refurbished machine that's now pretty much out of date due to the release of the PS4? Or spend $400-$500 on a PS4 and lose everything I've on the PS3, to say nothing of the games for it (unless the launch PS4s are backwards-compatible.)

Sorry, unacceptable especially since this isn't a failure due to "age" in terms of something mechanical and, yeah, stuff goes wrong. Like with a car, after a certain age and mileage you expect and know things to go wrong on your car, you're dealing with a lot of moving parts, parts that move 1000s of times a second and deal with very, very high heat stresses, controlled explosions, pressures, etc.

So, this week (when taking the PS3 to the shop, infact) it's annoying but it's part of car ownership when my car said it was over-heating and I had to take it in to get it checked out. (No big issue, new coolant, sticky beginning to fail T-Stat) I expect that. That thermostat is 14-years old and has seen almost 150,000 miles. It deals with very high heats in a high pressure situation. Shit fails.

But an electronic device dealing with heat as hot as an oven on the lower settings before being set to "warm" and shitty test-solder on it fails causing the device to turn into a brick? Unacceptable.

Sony should have tested this solder's heat-stress tolerances better. Simple as that. This isn't a failure due to a maintenance issue or something that's expected to happen to an electronic device meaning it needs to be repaired (which Sony will gladly do for you for $150, plus shipping, and doing it over the course of a few weeks and you'll lose your HDD data) or replaced ($300-$400, cha-CHING!)

Not acceptable. If this repair doesn't work, I'm selling my games, buying a BD player and that's it. I'm out when it comes to gaming unless something *really* impressive comes buy then I'll probably more consider an X-Box or see if it comes to PC.
 
especially since the PS3's lifecycle is still technically going on in spite of PS4.
Forgive me, but I'll have to Christopher your phrasing here. In marketing terms, the PS3's product life cycle is currently in the Decline stage, so it's not just "technically" still going. As long as the product is not eliminated from Sony's product portfolio, it is still very much "alive". Elimination in this specific case doesn't strictly equate to Sony stopping manufacturing of PS3 hardware (as the PS3 is more of a combination of service and hardware unlike, say, a toaster). The PS3 will be eliminated (i.e. the PLC will come to an end) as soon as Sony ceases supporting the PS3, which they said they'll do at some point in 2015.
 
Sorry, I think 6 years is a pretty short length of time for any piece of hardware that costs a good chunk of money.

Maybe you aren't treating your electronics as well as you think you are? I bought a 40"LCD TV and a Magnavox Blu-ray player in 2008, 20 GB PS3 in 2009 and all are still running great.

Heck, my PS3 has survived my son's, starting at four-years old, usage and swapping of discs. We've simply used it a ton (games, streaming, Blu-ray) over the time we've had it up until I got a PS4 earlier this year.
 
It sounds like Trekker is using a problem that has a pretty straightforward and specific explanation to make a more generalized attack on consumer electronics manufacturers.

The switch to (largely untested but legally mandated) lead-free solder makes sense as an explanation for why PS3s from that era had a high failure rate, and sounds as though it was not reasonably foreseeable by Sony--at least, it wasn't something they could do much about even if they could foresee it.

This is in contrast to MS' absolutely abysmal handling of the 360's issues, where power bricks required unusual amounts of ventilation given their likely use cases (that is, being stuck behind/below an entertainment center in a mess of wires) and the subpar adhesives used to attack the heatsink to the GPU--as if it's that hard to stress test a common glue.

I am sympathetic to Trekker's issue, as it's not something that should have happened. I do think that Sony should at least be willing to replace units that show those kinds of defects, even if they are out of the warranty period, precisely because those defects existed from day one.
 
Agreed. 6 years is not an adequate length of time for a console to continue working, unless you're a hardware manufacturer, of course. We've known how to cool high end hardware for years, yet the 360 and PS3 can't be arsed to include that relatively inexpensive technology? Yeah, that doesn't fly with me.

Well the PS3 (or at least the slim) does have a cooling fan thing you can buy for it.
 
Maybe you aren't treating your electronics as well as you think you are?

My Playstation is in an open-air TV-stand/entertainment center.

Due to fixed shelf-placement of the stand the Playstation was operated horizontally. Already knowing when I bought it that the device had some heat issues. I propped the unit up on four 3-inch tall supports. I regularly used the wand to vacuum out the various vents and stuff on it while vacuuming my carpets. Hard to say how "regularly" I did this as I did it occasionally as I vacuumed when it looked like it needed it.

If this isn't enough on treating the device well then I'm not sure what it needs done to it. Do I need to breast-feed it and nurse it gently to sleep? Also, I'm not alone on this issue as the YLOD is a well known problem with the early, larger, PS3s. As I understand it the later versions of the large PS3 and the Slim don't suffer from the YLOD issue.

It sounds like Trekker is using a problem that has a pretty straightforward and specific explanation to make a more generalized attack on consumer electronics manufacturers.

Eh perhaps I'm off the rails but I do feel that there's a certain level of quality or "obsolescence by design" when it comes to how electronics are made these days. If Sony was forced by law to implement the lead-free solder that's understandable. I still think it could have been stress-tested a bit more before releasing millions of the things.

And they should have a "lifetime repair plan" in place for those with this problem due to a known issue, rather than saying they can fix/replace it for a couple hundred dollars, plus shipping, several days and the loss of your data. I don't think Sony or MS handled their respective console issues very well at all. But at least in MS's cae (IIRC) they offered to fix/replace the unit for free including shipping since they *knew* it was an issue that was all on them and not the user.

Anyway, as I said, luckily I found a place that could repair it for $50.
 
It's lazy. Of course, they wouldn't do it if they couldn't get away with it, but they do, and so many gamers just nod their heads and exchange their boxes for a new one that will burn out as if that's the way it has always been. Then they'll lap up the next generation console a few years later.

See: Poster above who thinks 6 years is a good run for a $400 piece of machinery.


Well, don't get me wrong. I sympathize with you. I was sad when my original PS3 died even at even less than 6 years. I too wish that they would generally last longer, but it seems to be par for the course.

Older consoles have lasted longer, yes, but I think that's part of the increase in complexity that we've had in consoles over the years, ie more moving parts. Still, console failures aren't limited to newer consoles. I remember when we had to send in our original model Atari 2600, which couldn't be fixed, but they ended up replacing it with the sleeker all-black revision.


Electronics for the most part are finicky things. You never know what you'll get and how long they'll last.
 
Older consoles have lasted longer, yes, but I think that's part of the increase in complexity that we've had in consoles over the years, ie more moving parts. Still, console failures aren't limited to newer consoles. I remember when we had to send in our original model Atari 2600, which couldn't be fixed, but they ended up replacing it with the sleeker all-black revision.

Boo! The wooden look was awesome.
 
Agreed. 6 years is not an adequate length of time for a console to continue working, unless you're a hardware manufacturer, of course. We've known how to cool high end hardware for years, yet the 360 and PS3 can't be arsed to include that relatively inexpensive technology? Yeah, that doesn't fly with me.

Well the PS3 (or at least the slim) does have a cooling fan thing you can buy for it.

True, but that's like buying a car and the salesman offering you the chance to purchase the cooling system as an add-on option.
 
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