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Playmates Toys wins STAR TREK XI license.

I bought many of those Playmates toys for my kids to play with, and NEVER would have bought an AA for them...the Playmates looked like TOYS and helped make at least 2 of my sons Star Trek fans..I had those Mego toys back in the 70s and they didn't look too much like the characters but they were FUN to play with...heck between them and my AMT models I had plenty of adventures...

Toys were meant to be played with for children..if you want them as collectables, buy 2 packs, one for the kids and one for yourself!!
 
AA has better likenesses, better posability, more accurate accessories and their ships look spectacular. I have really enjoyed their Trek product.

That said, I think Playmates has had a long time to improve their sculpting techniques. Their current Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles toys look great so I'm going to be cautiously optimistic.
 
This sucks. Playmates' figures and toys ... generally, were awful. Art Asylum finally were producing figures and toys of genuine quality and I was very hopeful (and to an extent even expecting) that they would get awarded the license for this film -- apparently not.

Oh well. Who knows, maybe they can produce some decent sculpts, but I'm extremely skeptical...
 
As a kid I bought all kinds of the Trek toys Playmates made. And while I got my enjoyment out of them and they contributed to many fond childhood memories, even as a kid there were problems with them. Particularly why the hell did the legs stretch so far apart when the figures sat down? I mean, really, that just looked weird. And what was with the paint job that made the figures so shiny?

However, I must say, I loved the comm-badge shaped display bases the figures came with. I remember when I was twelve I glued a pin to the back of one and wore it like a commbadge for a couple of weeks until I left it pinned to my shirt and it ended up in the wash. Still, that kicked ass.
 
JacksonArcher said:
This sucks. Playmates' figures and toys ... generally, were awful. Art Asylum finally were producing figures and toys of genuine quality and I was very hopeful (and to an extent even expecting) that they would get awarded the license for this film -- apparently not.

Oh well. Who knows, maybe they can produce some decent sculpts, but I'm extremely skeptical...
Not to stereotype anyone, but, well... I'm going to stereotype people.

I miss the old Galoob and Playmates lines. Yes, the likenesses were awful. Yes, the Playmates figures all looked like bowlegged cowboys when you tried to sit them down. But they were TOYS! You could PLAY WITH THEM! You know, PLAY, that thing people used to do with toys before they became 30-year-old fanboys?

Art Asylum makes wonderful figures. I'm not disputing that. But they don't make toys, they make poseable statues. Their stuff is not meant to be played with, it's meant to be put on your shelf and lovingly admired.

For all their faults, Playmates made toys that were meant to be played with, and there was a significant kids' audience during the line's TNG heyday.

I want to see kids interested in Trek again. I want to see kids chase each other around the backyard with their toy phasers. I want them to have Kirk and Spock chase the bad guy up a huge mountain of throw pillows and sofa cushions stacked on the living room floor. I don't see kids doing that with anything made by AA.

That's not to say there couldn't be separate lines here -- one for the fanboys and one for the kids -- but ultimately I vote for toys for the kiddies, because THEY'RE the next generation (pun sort of intended) of Trekkies this film is hoping to create.
 
JacksonArcher said:
This sucks. Playmates' figures and toys ... generally, were awful.

The TNG Tricorder was the best toy ever and you should shut your foul mouth
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They also made a wide variety of Star Trek weapons and ships. Hell, they made a Bajoran disruptor, for crying out loud! How random is that?

And their ships (aside from the FC Enterprise-E) were all pretty accurate and still about to be played with. Sometimes when I go back to my parent's house I dig them out and fly them around my old bedroom for a minute or two. Nostalgia is fun!
 
Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Hellboy, AA's Marvel Minimates, and Star Trek TOS minimates (version 1 TAS, and version 2 based on the Marvel minimates), and Pirates of the Carribean have tooned style toys.

Bring on Star Trek XI's! :thumbsup:
 
Nobody's asking for "tooned" style toys. There seems to be a split between whether the toys should be highly detailed and targeted at collectors, or a bit more rugged and mass-produced and aimed at children.
 
Therin of Andor said:
I discussed that role on my blog when the costume was auctioned by "It's A Wrap!" last year:

Link

Sadly I saw that blog too late to put a bid in. It kills me that I could have had that costume back for under $200.00. Oh well. No idea what happened to the mask, though it's probably disintegrated by now. :(
 
cardinal biggles said:

I miss the old Galoob and Playmates lines. Yes, the likenesses were awful. Yes, the Playmates figures all looked like bowlegged cowboys when you tried to sit them down. But they were TOYS! You could PLAY WITH THEM! You know, PLAY, that thing people used to do with toys before they became 30-year-old fanboys?

Exactly! The first batch of TNG toys from the early nineties were fantastic! Good likenesses, loads of accessories, and the right size too. Star Wars figures were always too small for my liking, but the new AA ones are massive! How's an eight year old kid supposed to play with those? The TNG ones all had those holsters for the tricorders, which was cool. Geordi's visor came off, Data had various doors that opened up on his chest, and Worf had a mean growl and about sixteen knives. Brilliant fun!

I was more into the ships and weapons though - the Enterprise-D is still a decent facsimile, and the sounds are great. Unlike the AA ships, they had a button for each sound, so you could actually play with them properly. Best of all were the phasers and tricorders. I still have a bewildering arsenal of phasers from the various series, though admittedly the new AA phaser was miles better. I remember being gutted that the Playmates TOS phaser didn't come apart.

Anyway, here's to proper toys at pocket money prices! I'm off to the attic to find that box marked "Star Trek stuff"...
 
I don't understand those who don't see how you can play with the AA figures. They have more posability than most figures on the market. They look great, they come with all sorts of accessories to boot. Does a figure have to be bow legged and shiny before you can play with it?
 
I'm sure you can play with them, but who'd want to? They're $15 a pop, maybe more depending on who you buy it from. Don't tell me you wouldn't shit a brick if the kiddies took your Art Asylum figures out to the backyard to have them explore the deadly jungles of planet Epsilon 3.
 
I am fairly convinced that Geordi's visor is still buried in the yard of my old house. I was convinced that he wasn't able to see for a good 8-10 years...until FC came out and it turns out he didn't need his visor anymore.

My old McCoy (from Encounter at Farpoint) had his head shaved down because my brother decided to rub it on a treadmill. (We pretended that the Benzite did it, and anytime old McCoy saw the Benzite...can't remember his name...he would freak out and run around the bridge and knock down all the walls! It was fun).

Deanna Troi's arm is held together by silly putty.

I still played with all of them!

I just don't think these kinds of things would fly with the more expensive, higher quality AA toys.
 
C.E. Evans said:
igrokbok said:
And the figures and ships kicked ass and were aweseome. They were also hanging on the clearance rack. WHy? Because no kid wanted to "play" TNG Nemesis or Enterprise.

The toys appealed to collectors and longtime Star Trek fans, but not to kids, IMO. It also didn't help that Trek's popularity was on the decline at the time too and that those productions weren't exactly attractive to kids either.

The demographic may have had something to do with the lines' respective failures at retail (both had media tie-ins retailers love but neither the TV series nor the film got great reviews, even from fans), I have to put a good deal of the blame on Art Asylum. Simply put; they managed to get their foot in the door with two major North American retailers and blew it.

The ENT figures used rubber pants made of a "space-age polymer" to hide some very generous articulation below the waist. Unfortunately there was nothing on the packaging to call this out so to the average consumer it looked as it there was NO articulation below the waist. This was particularly troubling in the Deluxe sets where the figures came with their respective bridge stations and chairs. A simple image showing the figure seated would have avoided the confusion.

Another issue was the rubber pants themselves. There was some initial concern that, as with many other like materials, the rubber would dry and crack over time. Anyone who remembers the Furby Yoda might still have nightmares about those cracked rubber eyelids. There were some instances of the pants being torn right out of the package but the real joke was that even when seated (which was a difficult pose to achieve because the rubber worked against the articulation), the figures looked like they were wearing adult diapers underneath. Not a very flattering look.

While AA's founder, Digger, vehemently insisted they'd done their R&D and that the product should wear just fine under normal use, it didn't stop them from putting a disclaimer on the packaging stating that due to the "space-age polymer," the figures should only be stored in the pose they were packaged in. In other words, don't display them in their bridge chairs for too long or that unsightly lump at their crotches could become permanent.

Another problem with the ENT line was the case ratio for the Deluxe bridge stations. Art Asylum really wanted to pack all four modular parts evenly and ship them together but the retailer – in this case Toys "R" Us – insisted on splitting them into two waves; the first with Archer and Reed, the second with T'Pol and Merryweather. Unfortunately sell-in of the second wave depended greatly on sell-through of the first. AA knew damned well that fans would prefer to buy all four bridge sections at once but TRU wouldn't take the chance. Consequently too many collectors took a wait & see approach, not wanting to buy half a set unless the second wave was a sure thing. The failure of this category became a self-fulfilling prophecy as the second wave never made it to retail. The few second wave sets that were produced were offered as online exclusives or Art Asylum Collectors Club member premiums.

The Nemesis line failed for a similar reason; it simply lacked variety. There was only one wave that included Picard, Data, the new villain Shinzon and his lackey the Viceroy. Had AA offered figures in a smaller scale, they'd have been able to distribute the entire bridge crew AND a villain or two. They may have even been able to offer two of the most toyetic vehicles in Trek's history; Picard's dune buggy and the Reman Scorpion. Unfortunately they stuck with the larger scale which may have showed off their sculpting abilities but certainly not their business savvy. (At least these figures didn't have rubber pants.)

Once upon a time there was talk of a Japanese company sub-licensing AA's Trek contract to produce 4-inch scale figures for the Asian market but nothing ever came of it and AA has since been acquired by former business partner Diamond Select Toys.

What frustrates me about DST's business model is not only the scale of the figures but the tedious and era-specific way they're solicited. Even the popular Minimates have stuck to TOS characters for the first three waves. (Sorry modern Trek fans.) At least Playmates mixed it up and offered something for everyone.
 
"Even the popular Minimates have stuck to TOS characters for the first three waves. (Sorry modern Trek fans.) At least Playmates mixed it up and offered something for everyone."

Playmates is ONLY doing Star Trek XI ie Abrams TOS. :wtf:

If AA does only TOS, its bad, but if Playmates does it, its ok.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Oh...sorry....Back to your regularly scheduled program.

AA SUCKS! AA SUCKS! AA SUCKS! AA SUCKS! :rolleyes:
 
Holytomato said:
If AA does only TOS, its bad, but if Playmates does it, its ok.

With AA/DST, it's a choice. With Playmates – under the terms of their latest contract – it isn't. I'm sure you can understand the difference.

Of course if Playmates follows AA's old business model for a new Trek movie, you can look forward to a whopping four figures on the pegs and maybe a ship. That's the way to treat an epic property. :lol:
 
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