"Plato's Stepchildren" and Southern TV Stations

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Merry Stripmas, Sep 3, 2022.

  1. Kor

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    How about we say "storytelling convention." I like the word "trope." I think it sounds hip. Or hep, or whatever they say these days. But I think I'll go with "storytelling convention" to sound more authoritative and less casual.

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  2. Neopeius

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    "It's 'hip', Aunt Harriet -- they changed it." :)

    "Storytelling convention" is great. But, like "trope", it's not always applicable. Language has a purpose, dammit!

    (worldbuilding, lore, and trope are the words that have dumbed down critical writing to the point of uselessness).
     
  3. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    My usage of "trope" is in the dictionary, so I don't see the issue. Language evolves.
     
  4. Cash or Credit

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    It's a perfectly valid use of the term, but I would agree that cliché is also accurate in that context, and it has the additional virtue of conveying more information.
     
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  5. Ssosmcin

    Ssosmcin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    You know what's a really good word also?

    "Pedantic."

    Come on guys, there's got to be more to this topic than language pet peeves.
     
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  6. Neopeius

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    Is there?
     
  7. 1001001

    1001001 Workin' Them Angels Moderator

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    You all realize you’re actually living out a Star Trek Fan Trope right now, right?

    :shrug:

    :lol:

    ;)
     
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  8. Neopeius

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    All I heard was <static> ;)
     
  9. Maurice

    Maurice Snagglepussed Premium Member

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    I've contributed plenty, thankyouverymuch. ;)
     
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  10. Forbin

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    "Oh well. Does anyone want pie?"
     
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  11. Forbin

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    I actually know a person whose last name is Trope.
    Yet she's a totally unconventional person.
     
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  12. MAGolding

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    Here is another science fiction story from the mid/late 60s with a woman on the bridge for your list.

    Empress of Outer Space, A Bertram Chandler, 1965. A spaceship captain has been elected as empress of a space empire with considerable (though not absolute) power and is quite competent and rather arrogant about her space expertise..
     
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  13. Neopeius

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    Thanks. Chandler is one of the better ones. He's had women in his space service (albeit, outnumbered and generally in "female" roles) since the 50s.
     
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  14. Forbin

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    In my friend Paul Scrabo's direct-to-video indy "Dr. Horror's Erotic House of Idiots," there's a short sequence set aboard a ship from an all-female planet with an all-female crew. I even have a small role - I play the ship's computer, which is imbued with the personality of the last male on the planet. Here's a dramatic still:
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  15. Maurice

    Maurice Snagglepussed Premium Member

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    Shows as a broken link for me.
     
  16. Cash or Credit

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    In Chrome, the workaround is: right-click, Open image in new tab.
     
  17. Maurice

    Maurice Snagglepussed Premium Member

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    I know that. But is that a site that should be properly displaying the images?
     
  18. Greg Cox

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    I noticed that many of Nichols' obituaries used phrasing like "often believed to be the first interracial kiss" or "sometimes cited as the first interracial kiss" to get around that the fact that the oft-repeated claim is only correct if you add a lot of qualifiers and disclaimers.

    Personally, I'm fine with "one of the first and most celebrated interrracial kisses on American TV."
     
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  19. Maurice

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    "One of the first and worst interrracial kisses on American TV."
     
  20. Commishsleer

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    i''m confused.
    If you only count black-white kisses and not a peck on the cheek, was it the first on American TV?
    BTW. Do we know what the first same-sex kiss was? Wait maybe we should qualify that male-to-male and not a peck on the cheek?