Trek movie said JJ Abrams is going to direct a Kelvinverse movie that takes before Chris Pines Kirk character. It sounds really intriguing and a sequel to Star Trek Beyond is still in the works. It makes you wonder if there's a chance for a few more kelvinverse Star Trek books.
Plans for any more Kelvinverse novels?
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he's PRODUCING. Toby Haynes is going to direct the movie.
And if the movies don't pan out, maybe a comic or novel will be made out of the screenplay story instead.
What i like was that Yor was wearing a starfleet uniform similar to the one used in the first three seasons of TNG which means the Kelvin Timeline was starting to mend itself a little bit. (albeit it was till in use by 2379.)
Sadly, it's most likely another fake announcement to hype up investors prior to the Paramount/Warner Bros Discovery merger talks.
Remember when they announced a release date for Star Trek 4 and none of the announced actors had been contacted? It was just before an investor meeting. Proper carny shit.
Really, it just means that the FX artists used a TNG-style uniform because it was the only existing uniform design that audiences would recognize as 24th-century. If a Kelvin movie had established its own alternate 24th-century design, DSC would've presumably used that one.
How many Star Trek 4s have come and gone now?
I did a list once, ummmm....
-The George Kirk was stuck in a transporter one
-The Space Pandemic one
-The Discovery (season 2-ish) crossover one
-The Doomsday Machine one with the Khan ending
And probably one or two i'm forgetting.
I am sure there was another one with George Kirk, 'cos they really want Hemsworth.
The Quentin Tarantino one?
Yes thank you! And as Therin said, another one with George Kirk is a possibility.
I'm kinda curious how much they've spent on hiring people to write these outlines and scripts that all went nowhere.
There's nothing unusual about that in the movie business. In general, only about ten percent of scripts in development ever get put into actual production.
Although this is an unusual number of rejected Trek-movie proposals. We know there were a few rejected film projects before TMP was made, like Planet of the Titans, and TWOK was an amalgam of a couple of failed proposals, and so on. But it's unusual that so many proposals in the past decade have fallen through, even after having directors attached and the like.
Most scripts that are commissioned or purchased aren't actually made into movies, so that's not as much of a prodigal act as it might seem. The script is probably the least expensive part of the movie, I'm sure I've heard that virtually every screenwriter has made their living more off of selling scripts that don't get made rather than the handful that actually do. Any time you've heard of a movie that didn't actually get made being in development, somebody got paid to write a script for it.
Just thinking about this reminded me that Steve Carell was set to star in an adaptation of my 9th grade English teacher's memoir, a project that, nine years later, has never been heard from again after his involvement was announced. I'm not really sure if Carell could pull off "brutally witty yet kindhearted beatnik," but I had been interested in the prospect of seeing a movie that potentially, would include several characters based on people I knew, and definitely would have at least one.
Absolutely. Prospective Trek projects get lots of press because it's a high-profile franchise but film and TV projects get launched with high hopes, only to get mired in Development Hell, all the time.
As I always tell authors when their books get optioned for film or TV, "many are optioned, but few are filmed." I know of more than one author who has literally grown old and died while waiting for their "soon to be a major motion picture" book to actually make it to the screen. Scripts get written, actors and directors may be attached at various points, but nothing is guaranteed until the cameras actually start rolling (or whatever the modern digital equivalent is). Star Trek scripts are no different, I guess. They're just under a bigger spotlight.
We all remember THE GETBACKS OF MOTHER SUPERIOR with Bruce Willis, right? A MANHATTAN GHOST STORY with Sharon Stone? Bryan Singer's LOGAN'S RUN remake? BARBARELLA starring Drew Barrymore? Brian DePalma's THE DEMOLISHED MAN, based on the classic SF novel by Alfred Bester? The hit movie series based on the STAINLESS STEEL RAT BOOKS by Harry Harrison? The NIGHT STALKER reboot starring Johnny Deep as Kolchak?
I could go on and on.
As I always tell authors when their books get optioned for film or TV, "many are optioned, but few are filmed." I know of more than one author who has literally grown old and died while waiting for their "soon to be a major motion picture" book to actually make it to the screen. Scripts get written, actors and directors may be attached at various points, but nothing is guaranteed until the cameras actually start rolling (or whatever the modern digital equivalent is). Star Trek scripts are no different, I guess. They're just under a bigger spotlight.
We all remember THE GETBACKS OF MOTHER SUPERIOR with Bruce Willis, right? A MANHATTAN GHOST STORY with Sharon Stone? Bryan Singer's LOGAN'S RUN remake? BARBARELLA starring Drew Barrymore? Brian DePalma's THE DEMOLISHED MAN, based on the classic SF novel by Alfred Bester? The hit movie series based on the STAINLESS STEEL RAT BOOKS by Harry Harrison? The NIGHT STALKER reboot starring Johnny Deep as Kolchak?
I could go on and on.
Honestly, I've sometimes thought that might be for the best. You get paid for the option, maybe more than once, but don't have to run the risk of the movie being terrible. Although nobody's ever offered to option one of my books, and I don't have an agent, so it remains an academic question.
I suspect some authors may feel the same way. Take the money and hope the movie never gets made.
On the other hand, most option deals are structured so that you get the bulk of the money if the option actually gets exercised. And, of course, the big payoff comes if and when your book sales skyrocket because of a hit movie or TV adaptation. That's the best case scenario, financially at least.
As it happens, a writer friend was reporting just the other day that one of his books had just been optioned for the sixth time . . . .
I've had some of my stuff optioned and it's an...interesting....process. On the one hand, you're getting paid for work you've already done, which is nice - but you have to be ready to accept that the final product (if it even makes it that far) may have little to no resemblance to the thing you actually wrote, as studios, directors, actors etc all get involved and want to put their stamp on it...
And before we drift off topic; regarding Kelvin timeline stories, I've pitched a couple for Star Trek Explorer magazine in the past, but they didn't get any traction.
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Oh, sure. If I ever get lucky enough to get a novel optioned, I'll understand going in that I'm selling them the right to create their story based on mine, and that it's out of my hands thereafter. An adaptation is its own distinct entity -- that's the whole point of it. It doesn't supersede or overwrite the original. As Greg says, it brings new attention to the original, even if the adaptation turns out badly.
Greg may recall that in Only Superhuman, which he edited, I included a subplot about the heroine being annoyed at repeated reminders of a terribly melodramatic biographical movie based on her early life, which I put in as a bit of pre-emptive metacommentary and distancing in case someone made a bad movie version of the novel. I recently re-read Isaac Asimov's The Robots of Dawn for the first time in at least 30 years (part of a comprehensive Robots/Empire/Foundation chronological re-read that I've meant to do for that long but never got around to until now, since I wanted to do it before watching Foundation on Apple TV), and I discovered that it has a subplot of Lije Baley being annoyed at repeated reminders of a terribly melodramatic "hyperwave dramatization" of the events of the previous novel The Naked Sun. I wouldn't be surprised if I'd been unconsciously inspired by a memory of that, and I wonder if Asimov himself was making a metacommentary about his experience with failed movie options for the Baley/Olivaw novels over the decades between the two books.
What were they about (if you can share)?
They were Kirk stories. I won't say more than that, as the opportunity might come up to re-pitch them in the future...
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