Plagues of Night and Raise the Dawn – conclusion of the first TP arc

[RonG]

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um... no one?

Well, counting a trilogy as an arc is... obvious? Imho, it was just a 'trilogy arc', in contrast to TP which is ongoing with no end in sight. As is Project Full Circle (real world perspective - no new book before 2014).

Cold Equations, IMO, was an arc centered on AI, using the ongoing TNG cast and the Typhon Pact as backdrop. In the "Typhon Pact arc" detailed (IMO) in ASD through Brinkmanship, the Pact is in the front (after using the post-Destiny landscape as a forerunner theme)

1. The Fall – I believe that this will be the "third arc" featuring the TP and its fall (IMO the title of this series concerns the Pact, though it's just conjecture at this point..).

Given the origin of the series title this is unlikely I would think.

The miniseries was named "the fall miniseries", because it was scheduled for the season of fall, and it was only as we began batting around ideas, and someone said, "this is all turning pretty grim maybe we should call it The Fall, that's kind of ominous". We all thought it was a good laugh and a good joke. Then the editor said, "actually that's not bad, we'll go with that", and we're like, "what have we done?"

by David Mack in his Literary Treks interview, transcribed by 8of5 for thetrekcollective.com.

Well, that's the first I've heard of this , but having an ominous tiutle like The Fall would have been quite a callback to the back pages of ASD, when it was written that "2010 - the Typhon Pact will rise".. oh well

 

[Paris]

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By chance, does DRG3 mention Nog's rank in either one of these books? I'm pretty sure he was a Lieutenant Commander in IFM. Just curious if this was carried over or not. We don't want another Taurik on our hands

 

[Marcus Porcius Cato]

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um... no one?

Me! Me!

I hope the Typhon Pact won't fall so soon. There's much potential (in-universe and storytelling-wise) in the Pact, it would be a shame. Think of what could still happen! New powers joining, internal fracture, transformation into a new state or Federation... They haven't even met the Taurus Pact yet!

Well, counting a trilogy as an arc is... obvious? Imho, it was just a 'trilogy arc', in contrast to TP which is ongoing with no end in sight. As is Project Full Circle (real world perspective - no new book before 2014).

Another ongoing arc is the Andorian struggle, started with DS9-R and far from a conclusion.

An ongoing TNG storyline is the character development, slowly preparing us for the crew of 2387, whether it meshes with the comic (Data's return, Lt. Aneta Šmrhová, Joanna Faur, retiring Picard) or not (Data's return: how).

Maybe, but what is left at this point but a war to the Death between Federation and the Typhon Pact?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: Plagues of Night and Raise the Dawn – conclusion of the first TP a

um... no one?

Me! Me!

I hope the Typhon Pact won't fall so soon. There's much potential (in-universe and storytelling-wise) in the Pact, it would be a shame. Think of what could still happen! New powers joining, internal fracture, transformation into a new state or Federation... They haven't even met the Taurus Pact yet!

Well, counting a trilogy as an arc is... obvious? Imho, it was just a 'trilogy arc', in contrast to TP which is ongoing with no end in sight. As is Project Full Circle (real world perspective - no new book before 2014).

Another ongoing arc is the Andorian struggle, started with DS9-R and far from a conclusion.

An ongoing TNG storyline is the character development, slowly preparing us for the crew of 2387, whether it meshes with the comic (Data's return, Lt. Aneta Šmrhová, Joanna Faur, retiring Picard) or not (Data's return: how).

Maybe, but what is left at this point but a war to the Death between Federation and the Typhon Pact?

What makes you think a war would be on the table at this point seeing as a decent chunk of the anti-federation Pact members have probably blown what influence they might have due to their grand schemes blowing up in their faces.

 

[Christopher]

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Maybe, but what is left at this point but a war to the Death between Federation and the Typhon Pact?

Star Trek has very rarely been about "war to the death." Indeed, even in its most seemingly intractable military conflicts -- the Dominion War, the Xindi conflict, the Borg Invasion in the novels -- the ultimate resolution has usually turned out to be an act of peacemaking rather than destruction (although only half credit goes to the Xindi conflict, since they only made peace with the mammalian factions).

If anything, what we're seeing in the books has never been a strict Pact-vs.-Federation dynamic -- it's been more of a competition among the Pact's own members, some hardline and some moderate. And rather than uniting to form a common front, those factions have only become more divided in recent books, with the Romulans and Gorn becoming friendlier to the Federation than they are toward their own fellow Pact members.

 

[Marcus Porcius Cato]

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Maybe, but what is left at this point but a war to the Death between Federation and the Typhon Pact?

Star Trek has very rarely been about "war to the death." Indeed, even in its most seemingly intractable military conflicts -- the Dominion War, the Xindi conflict, the Borg Invasion in the novels -- the ultimate resolution has usually turned out to be an act of peacemaking rather than destruction (although only half credit goes to the Xindi conflict, since they only made peace with the mammalian factions).

If anything, what we're seeing in the books has never been a strict Pact-vs.-Federation dynamic -- it's been more of a competition among the Pact's own members, some hardline and some moderate. And rather than uniting to form a common front, those factions have only become more divided in recent books, with the Romulans and Gorn becoming friendlier to the Federation than they are toward their own fellow Pact members.

War to the death might have been exaggeration, but I think way the novels-verse has been shaping up, the state of the two powers have been locked in a cold war much like before the Dominion War, a open conflict, a warfare seems to be the next step.

 

[Christopher]

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^I'll never understand readers who assume war is inevitable. In the history of Star Trek, both screen and prose, stories about open warfare have been very rare. Maybe they've gotten more common starting with DS9, but Star Trek is not, never has been, and hopefully never will be a franchise that's predominantly about war. If it were, it would've been called Star Wars, and then George Lucas would've had to think of some other name for his little movie.

Also, keep in mind that the term "Cold War" comes from the real history of US-Soviet Union interactions in the mid-20th century. And that never blew up into open war; on the contrary, it was a decades-long standoff that ended with the collapse from within of one of the competing powers, followed by greatly improved, peaceful relations between the former mortal enemies. So to assume a cold war must inevitably escalate into hot war is to overlook actual history.

The one thing the Pact has been consistently in conflict with has been itself. It's never been anything like a united front; it's been six nations with separate agendas jockeying with each other for advantage. And if anything, their internal conflicts have only been escalating. You talk about "the two powers," but there are at least two major factions within the Pact that are turning increasingly against each other.