Plagerism
- Thread starter David Schmidt
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Wow.. you seem vested in concentrating on the deed done wrong instead of what my end point was, that of compromise and working together. Could it be possible to pull back the banter regarding the original point of "Plagiarism", and your new use of the word "stolen", and comment on solutions, and can I daresay suggest ones which benefit both of these fellows and not just the one you seem vested in placating? Its easy to stand up and cry foul, and just as easy to hoist that person on your shoulders and join them in their crusade of bashing the offender. Its often more rewarding to be the voice of reason and compromise which instead of feeding the fires of revenge and justice, seek the nice cozy warmth of being the "good guy" in a situation. Indeed, its possible to often take these issues and ensure that no one is perceived as an the bad guy and no party is accused of wrong doing, whether intended or not. Again, my question in my last post, did the first fellow communicate with the second and ask for the credit you speak of (which is deserved, I agree), or did he simply approach the second fellow with the same attitude expressed and fueled here? Which do you think would hold him in a higher regard, the position of the victim, or that of compromiser which may allow the second fellow room to use his work for the apparent simplicity of fandom appreciation? True, the first fellow doesn't NEED to compromise, he has every right to be indignant and demanding, but how does this help him out with his position as a person trying to generate income from this venture? Do you see the use of the second fellow hurting that venture, or possibly creating free advertising and attention to his work where none existed before? I know the old expression ".. there is no such thing as bad publicity...as long as they spell the name right".. however, good press has to be worth more than bad publicity. And speaking your name in a good light has to be worth more than merely spelling it right... Just my opinion folks...
Re: Plagerism (Should be Intolerance Now)
Wow. The bashing continues. It seems that folks here are only interested in finding fault with others. The issue now is not only did the second fellow use un-credited work from the first fellow, but he did it in a manner that you don't approve of? Wow, the principals of Star Trek, tolerance, compromise, unity (oh, I'm thinking too lofty it seems), are lost to those who feel superior in their positions and mindsets. Lacking the means to review this material, I can't render an opinion, but to use the words "retarded".. and "fanwanky" (What lexicon do I find that in?) to describe it seems narrow minded. Oh, I admire and look up to all of you who feel you are superior and perfect minded and can stand in judgment over all they see. I hope that you don't live in glass houses, because those who do should not throw rocks.
Wow. The bashing continues. It seems that folks here are only interested in finding fault with others. The issue now is not only did the second fellow use un-credited work from the first fellow, but he did it in a manner that you don't approve of? Wow, the principals of Star Trek, tolerance, compromise, unity (oh, I'm thinking too lofty it seems), are lost to those who feel superior in their positions and mindsets. Lacking the means to review this material, I can't render an opinion, but to use the words "retarded".. and "fanwanky" (What lexicon do I find that in?) to describe it seems narrow minded. Oh, I admire and look up to all of you who feel you are superior and perfect minded and can stand in judgment over all they see. I hope that you don't live in glass houses, because those who do should not throw rocks.
Wow... an opinion which doesn't come off as stiff, condemning, or accusing! Are you in the right place, sir? Sorry.. couldn't help the sarcasm. I wish I could review this material you speak of. I'm a little lost as the link above doesn't display the images in question. I have been commenting on the argument over plagiarism and the like. So the gist of this new point of how the second gentleman used the first's material is how he portrayed the Nova class as being used by the Maquis? Why does that sound "retarded' or that other nonsense word "fanwanky" as the other gentleman used? Just curious.
Thanks for the Tip!! In some BBSs you get flogged for not referring to someone by their appropriate rank.
An off topic question for Squiggyfm, now that S/he brought it up...
Why do some of you have ranks assigned (apparently given automatically in accordance to the # of posts left) and some don't? Are the ones without ranks Moderators?
Thanks!
If I may step in here, Squiggyfm.
He is definitely a guy.
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That's one more board convention you might want to know, Changeling. When we mention posters, we put their name in bold type.
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He is definitely a guy.
The reason some people don't have titles is they have a premium membership. For $24 a year, you can get a premium membership that removes the ads from the site. You also get to make your own title. Here's the info. It is pinned in the Announcements forum if you want to find it in the future.
All moderators have their titles in green. All administrators are in orange. Our Fearless Leader, TBonz, is in purple.
That's one more board convention you might want to know, Changeling. When we mention posters, we put their name in bold type.
And welcome to TrekBBS.
Another tip: Use paragraph breaks. Run on posts get downright unreadable at a certain point, especially to some of us with older eyes.
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I need to break in here for a comment.
Plagiarism shouldn't be "tolerated" in fandom any more than armed robbery should be "tolerated" by law abiding citizens. If you can't figure out the difference between someone who holds a different view and someone who blatantly steals the work of others and claims it for their own, then someone has been filling your head with some very dangerous notions of how the world works.
Sarcasm noted.
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Somehow, I doubt that.
The gist of the issue is that this lazy-assed poser took artwork created by others and claimed it as his own.
That he used that stolen artwork to prop up an extremely amateurish storyline only adds insult to injury.
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I need to break in here for a comment.
Plagiarism shouldn't be "tolerated" in fandom any more than armed robbery should be "tolerated" by law abiding citizens. If you can't figure out the difference between someone who holds a different view and someone who blatantly steals the work of others and claims it for their own, then someone has been filling your head with some very dangerous notions of how the world works.
Sarcasm noted.
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Somehow, I doubt that.
The gist of the issue is that this lazy-assed poser took artwork created by others and claimed it as his own.
That he used that stolen artwork to prop up an extremely amateurish storyline only adds insult to injury.
I understand now. You are also one of the perfect people who set the standard by which all fandom material is measured <bows appropriately>. I see that I'm merely talking the walls here. The point of this thread was that the first fellow felt wronged by the second fellow "stealing" his artwork, I get it. I also get that most feel that the way the second fellow used the artwork was "retarded", the funny word which escapes my lexicon, "amateurish", and any plethora of derogatory comments which would probably follow if I continue <waves>. Whatever. As I posted earlier, I do graphics and logos based on Trek, and whenever I see my stuff on other sites, I am glad I produced something someone liked enough to use (not steal as most would say). Continue your elitist mindset, you are welcome to it. I pity the perfect, they tend to be legends in their own minds.
PS. Did I use the quote correctly? In addition to not be used to tearing others to shreds, I am new to these new internet BBS'es. I used to run a WWIV BBS in the days before the internet and grew nostalgic. Someone told me that these internet BBSes are interesting places to read interesting topics like the old days, but I'm rather reconsidering that opinion. I guess what they say is true, you can never go home. Adieu...
You know, judging from the ferocity of these replies, I think we might have a clue who that "second fellow" is.
LOL. No.. I'm not the "second fellow". Merely someone who chanced upon an interesting thread and cast my opinion not on the side of "shredding" the "second fellow"'s actions, but preaching tolerance and compromise. I have found that the latter is rare here as most feel that since the transgression was made, no forgiveness nor quarter should be offered, and certainly no compromise brokered. I have said before that "I get it" now. His use of the material did not meet your standards, I understand, I just don't agree. I accept that I am of the minority <shrug>.
As for my "ferocity", wow, take a stance against the established opinion here and you get accused of any number of things. I need to be careful and steer clear of any forums regarding the Kennedy Assassination, depending on which side of the debate I take, you may think me the second shooter in the grassy knoll.
It's hard to verify, now that the pages aren't there, but the "2nd guy" did resource "Cygnus-X1", where it appears he got the graphics from. I still wonder if the "1st Guy" (David?) would have still bitched if the "2nd Guy" would have listed him, as well as Cygnus. The "Arrow Class" page done by the same Rjohnson does Credit the original designer and Mesh creators.
BTW: Looks like the Cygnus "hidden" pages are down now.
Fine, kid.
Let's see some of your graphics. Go ahead and post some links.
Then we'll see how you feel when someone appropriates your work and takes credit for it.
^ THANK YOU!!
I totally agree with your statement. My comment on "elitist" was the attitudes of those pompous enough to pass judgment on things with such labels as "retarded" and the word witch escapes my lexicon. I have never myself found it necessary to put the efforts of others into a negative light. I know the original thread started with the outrage of the second fellow appropriating the first fellow's work, but then it degraded into insulting the second fellow's USE of the work. If they don't respect the way the second fellow appropriated the first's work, I certainly don't respect their elitist attitudes in the least. It must be hard to be perfect and know it all (rolling eyes).
Wow... I've not been called "kid" in 20 years. I thought I left a clue to my age when I mentioned BBS'es and before the internet. Oh, well. I guess it was too subtle. Regardless, no thanks.. I do not need or even want your approval or disapproval. The folks who use my icons and graphics like them well enough and I don't need accolades or raspberries when the work itself is all that I enjoy. Seeing them on various pages is a bonus.
I get a thrill when I see my icons and graphics on other Trek pages. If I did see my work credited to someone else I'd politely contact them and ask for that mis-credit removed or my name added to the list. I would never contact them in a pompous or hostile fashion nor would I find it necessary to call anyone's work "retarded", that word I can't find in any lexicon, or any other derogatory fashion.
I was referring to only the Creative Designs hidden pages being taken off line, but yeah... Cygnus has TONS of everyone's copyrighted prints, if you simply do that simple url change.
aridas' did those Avenger prints? Back in the 80s? Nice! Perhaps HE should contact Cygnus' ISP!
