Pine modeled his Kirk after Han Solo?

Beat me to it!!! :thumbsup:

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

That's certainly the implication we've gotten about Kirk. And it makes for a more interesting contrast with the older Kirk since the usual pattern is for someone young to be irresponsible and 'grow up.' I'd prefer the reverse.

Why did Kirk venture into space? Because that's the career path for a Starfleet graduate/overachiever. It would be interesting if going into space was what changed Kirk and started him on the path to being less of a wound-up tight-ass. A Kirk who stayed on Earth would have been a different man.

 

^ Exactly. I don't really buy the Hans Solo parallel at all. But who knows? Maybe they are throwing all we know about early Kirk out the window.

You'd like to think that going into space and coming into contact with a variety of cultures would change Kirk for the better - make him less of an, as you say, 'tight-ass'. That is certainly what I have always felt about Kirk up until this point. And it is what I have thought about Sisko too, for that matter.

Hopefully they will keep that aspect of him. But who knows?

The bottom line is that this needs to be a really focused and compelling film...and if certain aspects of canon are compromised...well, those are the breaks.

 

Maybe Pine's just not steeped in science fiction lore, and Han is the first cool character that came to mind.

 

... and all your examples are from the movies, when Kirk was an older man.

Pine is playing Kirk when he was young; a version of Kirk even younger than the one we saw in TOS. Big difference.

 

If Pine needs to model his performance after anyone, it should be Shatner.

But far better for Pine to create his own characterization, and not rely on any other actor's performance.

 

Star Wars in Trek...I would have loved it.

Imagine the tribute holodeck adventure Harry and Tom could have had. Would have been cheesy golden goodness.

 

As is made plain by your ignoring the bait--no, wait...

Anyway, no one knows more about baiting than you, Dennis. You are the master.

 

The master baiter.

 

That juvenile pun never occured to me.

 

I aim to please.

 

I tend to think of Solo more as a younger Chris Pike. <shrug> Might just be me who sees that, though.

 

I'd say, if any Trek characters of note were Solo-esque, they would be Gary Mitchell, who had Solo's predatory scoundrel charm (his "wooing" of Dr. Dehner is very similar to the way Solo "woos" Leia in TESB--though he bocomes a total chump wrapped around her pinkie in ROTJ), Khan for the same reason and--and I'm serious here--Harry Mudd, who was also a criminal dealing in contraband drugs. (I assume "spice" is a drug in the SW universe since it is one in the Dune universe from which Lucas lifted it and much of Tatooine.)

Kirk's methodology with women was seldom as assholish as either Solo's or Mitchell's. Indeed, the only time I can recall him treating a future conquest as anything less than a lady* was in "Elaan of Troyius" and he was trying to "tame" her, not screw her. She delibeartely turned the tables on him by dosing him with her tears.

*Sure, he decked Shahna but it was in the line of duty. And he slept with the slave on the Roman planet, which is technically rape... damn, maybe Janice Lester had a point.

 

Oh...My...God!!!!

George Lucas Raped My Childhood!!!! tm

Mmm... wait a minute.

...why should I be ticked off

Oh... Pine won't be Kirk tm enough.

Maybe he should have sex with The Shat tm?

 

What? No knee-jerk overreacting based on what you personally believe Star Trek should be like and anyone who disagrees with you is a loser? You're on the wrong board.

 

Yeah he should have said Mal Reynolds and then we'd all go oooo, he's so cool.

Alternatively, it would cause a humongous shitstorm. Either would be good.

 

Had he said Horselover Fat or Kris Kelvin or Paul Atreides (or Billy Pilgrim, even), I'd be donning a short skirt and shaking my pom-poms right alongside the rest of the "This'll be the best Twek evah!" crowd.

(I'd hate to say what I'd do had he said Omar Little or Travis McGee--I'm not as cute as Ashley Dupre but, like Avis, I try harder.)

 

Well, so much for enjoying this cup of coffee...part of which is now sprayed onto my keyboard.