Their origins aren't implied at all, but eventually made explicit (okay, it took until the fourth movie in Kirk's case). Their ethnic backgrounds, however, were simply a matter of casting.
Pine "Apparently Confirmed" as Kirk
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Their origins aren't implied at all, but eventually made explicit (okay, it took until the fourth movie in Kirk's case). Their ethnic backgrounds, however, were simply a matter of casting.
I disagree. Their ethnic backgrounds were as much a part of their characters as anything else, and it doesn't get much more explicit than what you can see with your own two eyes. I'm not saying that Kirk can't ever be portrayed by a black man or an asian or whatever, I'm just saying that there's nothing unreasonable--or racist--about prefering that he remain the ethnicity that he always has been. I'd say exactly the same thing about Spock, Sulu, Uhura or any of the other characters.
At first, I was ambivalent towards the idea of Pine playing Kirk, but the idea grew on me and then I said to myself, "I can't imagine anyone else playing him, as odd as it sounds, like I'm vying for him to get the role...unless Matt Damon is cast." 
Seriously, aesthetically, he appears to be a good choice. We'll have to see about his acting chops, but I'm sure he'll do fine.
I'm very eager to see who they get for McCoy now.
Seriously, aesthetically, he appears to be a good choice. We'll have to see about his acting chops, but I'm sure he'll do fine.
I'm very eager to see who they get for McCoy now.
Does anyone else find it interesting that an actor actually dropped out of a project to do a "Star Trek" film?
Since when does this happen?
Since when does this happen?
You made my day with this question!JacksonArcher said:
Does anyone else find it interesting that an actor actually dropped out of a project to do a "Star Trek" film?
Since when does this happen?
It makes me feel so good as a Star Trek fan to be able to say, "Yeah, he wanted to do Star Trek more." I am so excited for this movie!!! :thumbsup:
i dont know, think if one had only seen shatner in nightmare at 20,000 feet.
would you have wanted a captain who screamed at something on a wing of plane.
as for the ethnic stuff, just because you dont have an african american kirk or mccoy dosnt mean we wont see other parts like other captains played by other ethnic groups.
heck for that matter the galloway we saw in obsession could have been adopted.
wow. so much negativity and random racist talk. However, since this thread is about a young actor who is trying to make it in the entertainment industry and achieving what could be a break through role for him, i say congrats and good luck. He's gonna be in a Star Trek film. That alone makes him one of my new favourite actors, and also very, very jealous.
He may not be Shatner, but so what? I want him to make the role his own, not a cheap imitation of someone from 40 years ago. Go forth Mr.Pine, you'll do fine.
He may not be Shatner, but so what? I want him to make the role his own, not a cheap imitation of someone from 40 years ago. Go forth Mr.Pine, you'll do fine.
I hope he's aware of some of the crazy Trekkies he's gonna attract. He should watch Trekkies. Or check out this crazy ass place.
You're right.
I believe there's a white uhura now, is that ok with you? Seriously man, please think before you post. Star Trek is much more ingrained in pop-culture than BSG. Recasting and changing Gender and Race is a much bigger issue here.
Can you imagine the outcry if they cast Roots with a White Kunta Kinte? Maybe if they did Shaft played by Andy Dick? Maybe do the Cosby show with Tim Allen as Bill?!
Just have a think about what you're posting. There are Black Icons. There are White Icons. There are other different multi-racial icons.
Dont piss on them. They dont deserve it.
Personally I'd be utterly disgusted to have a Black Kirk. It'd be like having a White Sisko. Its just....NOT right.
You (Akira) understand this movie is "a missing chapter" in the lives of the TOS crew? This isn't a reboot. It's in the same continuity as TOS and the TOS era movies. The producers would be retards if they cast anything other than actors that portray the original races of the original cast.
As far as the Klingons, I accept Gene Roddenberry's explaination (even though I liked ENTERPRISE's) that TOS Klingons did look like the movie (and forward) Klingons, but they didn't have the budget to do the whole thing. Maybe it was the low-def image recorders back in the 60's?
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I believe there's a white uhura now, is that ok with you? Seriously man, please think before you post. Star Trek is much more ingrained in pop-culture than BSG. Recasting and changing Gender and Race is a much bigger issue here.
Can you imagine the outcry if they cast Roots with a White Kunta Kinte? Maybe if they did Shaft played by Andy Dick? Maybe do the Cosby show with Tim Allen as Bill?!
Just have a think about what you're posting. There are Black Icons. There are White Icons. There are other different multi-racial icons.
Dont piss on them. They dont deserve it.
Personally I'd be utterly disgusted to have a Black Kirk. It'd be like having a White Sisko. Its just....NOT right.
What about a black James Bond? Did the Bond producers ever consider that?
I mean, look at the outcry among some Bond fans when they strayed just a bit from the suave tall dark and handsome look of the previous Bonds.
Iconic fictional TV and movie characters become "real" in the public mind. As it's become, they couldn't cast a red-headed pale white man with freckles as Kirk and have him be accepted, either.
Jack Bauer said:
I hope he's aware of some of the crazy Trekkies he's gonna attract. He should watch Trekkies. Or check out this crazy ass place.
This thread would be a great place to start.
PINE: "Hey, uh, is WHITE JAZZ still available? I may have made a mistake..."
PINE'S AGENT: "Sorry, Chris. They already replaced you. By the way, they decided to go with an African American actor instead. The movie is called BLACK JAZZ now."
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stueyross said:
I believe there's a white uhura now, is that ok with you? Seriously man, please think before you post. Star Trek is much more ingrained in pop-culture than BSG. Recasting and changing Gender and Race is a much bigger issue here.
Can you imagine the outcry if they cast Roots with a White Kunta Kinte? Maybe if they did Shaft played by Andy Dick? Maybe do the Cosby show with Tim Allen as Bill?!
Just have a think about what you're posting. There are Black Icons. There are White Icons. There are other different multi-racial icons.
Dont piss on them. They dont deserve it.
Personally I'd be utterly disgusted to have a Black Kirk. It'd be like having a White Sisko. Its just....NOT right.
What about a black James Bond? Did the Bond producers ever consider that?
I mean, look at the outcry among some Bond fans when they strayed just a bit from the suave tall dark and handsome look of the previous Bonds.
Iconic fictional TV and movie characters become "real" in the public mind. As it's become, they couldn't cast a red-headed pale white man with freckles as Kirk and have him be accepted, either.
The nearest to casting a black Bond was the casting of black Felix Leiters (Bond's recurring CIA contact). He was always played by white actors until the 'unofficial' Bond movie Never Say Never Again, where he was played by Bernie Casey. Then, in Casino Royale, he was played by Jeffrey Wright, who is of mixed race.
The Black Bond debate comes up regularly in the General tv & media forum (and presumably many Bond websites) and attracts the usual variety of opinions.
As to a black Kirk, my attitude is very simple. This movie is set within the continuity of the 3 series and 7 movies in which that character appeared as a white male. He is supposed to be the same man as in The Trouble with Tribbles or The Undiscovered Country. Therefore he should not be played by a black man, any more than Uhura should be played by a white woman.
I had no problem with a white commander or captain in the form of Sisko nor with a black Vulcan in the shape of Tuvok. And if this movie was to be a BSG-esque reboot, then I would be fine with a black actor playing Kirk, McCoy or any other character. But in the context of this movie and its links to the original Trek, such casting simply doesn't work.
It evolved.
And it has a plan.
I think that as long as everyone keeps repeating this that will make it so...even if it's not.
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I think that as long as everyone keeps repeating this that will make it so...even if it's not.
None of us has any idea what it is at this point. But we're all very sure.
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