Pike - not sure if this hasnt been asked before.
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He's running in a giant hamster wheel inside the port nacelle. (This is before warp drive was invented.)
He's captain of the Enterprise just before Kirk takes command.
Yes.
No, I don't think they'll do that.
By the way, anyone else looking forward to Bruce Greenwood as Pike?
*Ignore this massage, I screwed up*
I'm interested to see him and his Pike, yes
By a remarkable coincidence, Trekmovie.com has a news article today containing excerpts of a Greenwood interview about the movie:
Greenwood will make a great Pike. Since it seems that JJ & Co. are aiming to capture some of the spirit of the 60s space program, he's also a neat way to give a subtle nod to JFK.
Ditto. Greenwood is a good actor, I liked his President in NT2: BoS. I think he'll make a good Pike.
The big "will Pike fit in?" question here should come from these lines in "The Menagerie":
The way Kirk words this, it seems the two only met ONCE. Or, alternately, they FIRST met when Pike was promoted.
Both interpretations result in some limitations, or create the risk of contradictions. If Kirk served under Pike for any appreciable time after their first encounter, this means that
a) Pike was a Fleet Captain (or higher) all that time, and
b) Kirk's service was not "several years" since he sees the need to specify this of Spock's service.
Basically, a) presents relatively few problems. Indeed, we might argue that Fleet Captain is the same thing as Captain, which is the rank that is most likely to be found on Greenwood's sleeves. But b) means that Kirk served for a considerably shorter time than Spock, because it can't be the same time, and it can't really be a longer time, either.
Frankly, I don't see why the movie would really have to contradict any of this stuff. Pike is likely to be a relatively brief chapter in the lives of the heroes even in this movie, especially considering that it won't be possible (or at least easy) to make Greenwood play "young Pike", that is, Pike as he appeared when Kirk was a cadet or a young officer.
Timo Saloniemi
The way Kirk words this, it seems the two only met ONCE. Or, alternately, they FIRST met when Pike was promoted.
Both interpretations result in some limitations, or create the risk of contradictions. If Kirk served under Pike for any appreciable time after their first encounter, this means that
a) Pike was a Fleet Captain (or higher) all that time, and
b) Kirk's service was not "several years" since he sees the need to specify this of Spock's service.
Basically, a) presents relatively few problems. Indeed, we might argue that Fleet Captain is the same thing as Captain, which is the rank that is most likely to be found on Greenwood's sleeves. But b) means that Kirk served for a considerably shorter time than Spock, because it can't be the same time, and it can't really be a longer time, either.
Frankly, I don't see why the movie would really have to contradict any of this stuff. Pike is likely to be a relatively brief chapter in the lives of the heroes even in this movie, especially considering that it won't be possible (or at least easy) to make Greenwood play "young Pike", that is, Pike as he appeared when Kirk was a cadet or a young officer.
Timo Saloniemi
It always seemed to me that in the years Spock was serving with Pike, Kirk was serving on the Farragut until the two came together on the Enterprise.
Well, Spock's long service with Pike is a solid onscreen fact. The idea that it all happened aboard the Enterprise is speculation, but of a rather valid sort because we see Spock and Pike on that particular ship at the beginning of their joint service, and we know Pike gave that ship to Kirk at the end of the joint service. Any hops to other ships in between are possible but unlikely.
Kirk's service on the Farragut is far less solid. We know he was there at Lieutenant rank for perhaps least two adventures: the one recounted in "A Private Little War" (the exact ship is speculation but the Farragut is the likeliest candidate), and the one recounted in "Obsession". All that might have taken a total of two weeks, though, and Kirk might have transferred off the badly hurt ship immediately afterwards.
Kirk's service before the Farragut is completely up to grabs, but we have reason to think that it rotated around the Academy somehow, since Kirk and Garrovick were said to be paired starting with the end of the former's Academy days. But as said, Kirk was an Academy instructor and held Lieutenant rank there already, again suggesting that his post-Academy days on the Farragut need not have been particularly many. And Kirk might have served on many ships, under several captains, during his Academy career - training ships, regular ships hosting cadets or other trainees whom Kirk instructed, random "flying hours" assignments between semesters, whatever. Parts of the new movie could well fall in one of those slots.
Timo Saloniemi
Kirk's service on the Farragut is far less solid. We know he was there at Lieutenant rank for perhaps least two adventures: the one recounted in "A Private Little War" (the exact ship is speculation but the Farragut is the likeliest candidate), and the one recounted in "Obsession". All that might have taken a total of two weeks, though, and Kirk might have transferred off the badly hurt ship immediately afterwards.
Kirk's service before the Farragut is completely up to grabs, but we have reason to think that it rotated around the Academy somehow, since Kirk and Garrovick were said to be paired starting with the end of the former's Academy days. But as said, Kirk was an Academy instructor and held Lieutenant rank there already, again suggesting that his post-Academy days on the Farragut need not have been particularly many. And Kirk might have served on many ships, under several captains, during his Academy career - training ships, regular ships hosting cadets or other trainees whom Kirk instructed, random "flying hours" assignments between semesters, whatever. Parts of the new movie could well fall in one of those slots.
Timo Saloniemi
He could be a fleet captain and still stay in command of the ship. While I think Spock said he served with Pike for thirteen years, Kirk may not say much about serving under Pike because Pike shortly moved on and he never got to know him very well.
Since the movie seems to deal with an at least slightly altered timeline, my guess is Pike meets a different fate than we know of from TOS, so Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise under different circumstances. I keep thinking it's going to be derivative of how Picard became captain of the Stargazer. Which I'm not sure is a good thing, as it's heroic, but not original. But "Joe Moviegoer" doesn't know that's how Picard became a captain, so it would work for him, I guess.
Since the movie seems to deal with an at least slightly altered timeline, my guess is Pike meets a different fate than we know of from TOS, so Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise under different circumstances. I keep thinking it's going to be derivative of how Picard became captain of the Stargazer. Which I'm not sure is a good thing, as it's heroic, but not original. But "Joe Moviegoer" doesn't know that's how Picard became a captain, so it would work for him, I guess.
Maybe they're just changing it. 
Maybe they're just changing it.
Could well be. The line comes from the Menagerie, basically made to shove The Cage into canon and have its material featured in the show proper.
So yeah there were a few things about that two parter I could overlook being changed.
Maybe Spock served with Pike... from a certain point of view.
