Picard's awful romances

[Nakita Akita]

This is such a lazy misogynist fantasy it's hilarious. You don't have to be attractive. You don't have to be nice. You probably don't even have to bathe. Just flaunt your Porsche and the chicks will come running. If you really think that exists en masse beyond whatever anecdotal evidence you can formulate from watching TV then I don't know what to tell you.

See it all of the time, hot girls falling all over themselves for movie stars and sports figures.
In fact it's not just hot girls, it's everyone. More so I fear in the USA, people giving free meals to rich and famous, people letting them cut in line at the airport, (I have seen this happen in person) no other reason to let them have a free expensive meal or get in front of the line other than rich/famous.

People want to talk to and be friends etc. with the rich and famous. Yep, doesn't matter if they are stupid, dirty, etc. people want to be with them.
I'm not sure what country or possibly planet you are from, but that's how it is on Earth, in general.

 

[Mark 2000]

See it all of the time, hot girls falling all over themselves for movie stars and sports figures.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, no matter how much you insist it's a fact.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

Ummmm - folks. Let's drop it, OK?

 

[Mark 2000]

But if Picard isn't allowed to hook up with subordinates, then there's literally nobody on that ship he can start a relationship, since as the Captain he's everybody's superior. Even if they are civilians like Guinan he has a sort of authority over them, simply because of his position.

I'm not sure what the ethics would be for civilians, because, yes, they still sort of work in areas Picard can control and manipulate. But civilians or not, the captain fraternizing with lower ranks would be an ethical dilemma. If the guy really wants to date and get married he should find someone on space tinder or on leave someplace. Just because it's unfair that his options are limited by the career and appointment he chose doesn't mean it's not right. You know what's never been explored? Long distance holodeck romance. You work, you live life. You go home to a holodeck where your spouse is transmitting their image in realtime and you can talk and cuddle and fool around like they're there, but you're on different ships or planets.

 

[Makarov]

All I know is Beverly blew her shot at Picard when she kept making over the top breakfast items. There's no coming back from that.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

False dichotomy.

You're using it wrong. And I never said it was either/or. You projected your own personal bias to insist that women don't find strength, power, and confidence attractive, but if they do it's mostly because they can't have power.

The universe isn't flatly divided between powerful men with no personality and sniveling weaklings.

Who said anything about having no personality? Again, you're projecting your own biases and making assumptions. Not to mention I specifically said those would be traits that a woman would find attractive. At first. The implication being if there was nothing beyond those traits she might lose interest. And I never said that those are the only factors that women look for.

And both the trope, and the reality of the past is that women chose strong men because politically they could not wield power and wealth themselves except in rare circumstances. This is just a hold over from medievalism.

Like I said, power, confidence, and accomplishment are attractive qualities in general. It doesn't have to be because women lack political or financial opportunity.

 

[Mark 2000]

You're using it wrong. And I never said it was either/or. You projected your own personal bias to insist that women don't find strength, power, and confidence attractive, but if they do it's mostly because they can't have power.

Now you're making this personal by saying I'm "projecting" and that I don't know what the term I'm using means. I don't think you can answer what about myself I am projecting, exactly, especially without becoming truly offensive. But I don't want to get into. Let's just stop now. Thanks.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

Now you're making this personal by saying I'm "projecting" and that I don't know what the term I'm using means. I don't think you can answer what about myself I am projecting, exactly, especially without becoming truly offensive. But I don't want to get into. Let's just stop now. Thanks.

To be fair, you did say I was employing a "gross 20th century stereotype of women wanting to be adjacent to power," and I believe I was just making a counter-argument. I know we got into it in a previous thread, with both of us being snarky and rude. But I quoted you when making this thread as a good will gesture and because I thought you summed up the writer's approach to Picard and romantic interests well and made good points.

But I do understand how posts can either be intentionally rude and offensive or come across as rude and offensive, and it's not a good feeling. Especially considering we just come here to have fun and talk with fellow fans about Star Trek. So I won't be responding any further.

Ummmm - folks. Let's drop it, OK?

I was checking my alerts and just responded to the last post that quoted me. I didn't see your moderator note till just now.