Picard: Trek's Answer to the MCU?
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I don't know about PIC being like MCU because of any interconnected storylines, but it seems like the show was definitely trying to appeal to superhero fans with Dahj and Soji.
Then it failed with me.
Unless because I like them regardless of superhero antics.
Q.
And he doesnt even need Infinity Stones to change the universe with the snap of his fingers.
That story already exists. The Q Conflict comic.Q.
And he doesnt even need Infinity Stones to change the universe with the snap of his fingers.
They're not particularly superhero-like. They aren't humanoids that happen to have advanced capabilities. They're androids. It would be odd if they weren't superior to most hunanoids.
Yeah, because you're already a Star Trek fan. For people who normally wouldn't watch Star Trek, they see Dahj finding out she's a superhero, doing super jumps through the air, taking out a murder squad in some MCU-style fight choreography, that catches their attention. They have have a samurai elf, looking like that other big franchise Lord of the Rings.
Yeah, their superheroes like Khan is a superman.
That's a bit presumptuous. That somehow means that people are only in it for the action, which is, odd, at best.
Even if that is so (I still don't think that it is) I also don't see the harm.
He wasn't. He was supposedly five times stronger than an unaugmented human, but his feats against Kirk in "Space Seed" were pathetic. Even him picking up Chekhov in TWOK wasn't that impressive. And he never showed any speed feats, either.
The force that V'tosh ka'tur Vulcan used to toss Archer around was far more convincing, and Vulcans are, on average, only three times stronger than humans. Who's the real "superman" here?
And Picard even said in "Measure of a Man" that many species possess "mega- strength". Are we to consider species where such things are the norm 'super'.
Dahj and Soji may look human, but they're not. They shouldn't be judged as 'super' just because they're superior to a race they superficially resemble.
I think we saw Khan lift one guy in the air with one arm and that's it, at least in the movie. Far cry from the action sequences Dahj was engaged in with PIC. Not to mention there's a difference between a protagonist who realizes she's special and uses her powers to defend herself and her friends from the bad guys, and an old man putting worms in people's ears. Despite Khan literally being a "superman" in the Star Trek universe, I don't think Superman/Batman when seeing him.
Dahj's first appearance is like Jason Bourne meets Wonder Woman. Super speed, super hearing, defying gravity, martial arts...that's definitely more inline with how traditional superheroes are portrayed.
You're assuming that's what I meant, that it's the sole reason. I'm saying, from the producers and/or writers stand point it's just one hook of many that might pull people in.
Who said it was harmful?
Also, Khan crushing a phaser with his hands.
As well as different eras, different production values, etc.
The less said about the Ceti eels the better.
I appreciate the clarification.
Given in your post history I see the push back against action tropes in Trek I made an assumption. If I am in error I apologize.
Also Geordi with his visor. Wes in Traveler mode. The EMH.
So what about Superman? By your criteria, he's not a superhero. That don't make no sense.
In the context of Star Trek, in-universe, Dahj and Soji wouldn't be considered superheroes, despite Jurati's anachronistic comment about having a superpower.
However, Dahj and Soji to current audiences would definitely evoke notions of superhero-like abilities or appear superhero-like.
Q, Worf, Data aren't going to conjure up those same associations.
Q for example is like an omnipotent god who toys with humanity, in particular Picard and his crew, putting them in danger and getting some of them killed.. Not getting the superhero vibes there.
However, Dahj and Soji to current audiences would definitely evoke notions of superhero-like abilities or appear superhero-like.
Q, Worf, Data aren't going to conjure up those same associations.
Q for example is like an omnipotent god who toys with humanity, in particular Picard and his crew, putting them in danger and getting some of them killed.. Not getting the superhero vibes there.
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What about him? Last time I checked, he ain't in Trek (and wouldn't fit in there.) And I hold Trek to a different standard than an actual superhero franchise, where it stands to reason the main character would be a superhero. Trek is indeed fantasy, but it ain't that kind of franchise.
Which is EXACTLY my point!
Dahj and Soji are his offspring.
To put on my Pedantry Hat™, this means it does make sense. Which means I win. So there.
But it's the wrong point since you responded to my comment about it appealing to superhero fans, not to how those two characters would be treated by characters within the story.
And so was Lal, and yet she didn't fight off a team of assassins using super speed, super strength, super hearing, while flying towards them.
Two different presentations and yet they're all his offspring.
I don't know, but going faster than warp 10 has GOT to be.
Lewis Zimmerman is more likely to appear than the Doctor.
