Picard series confirmed post-Romulus
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We just had a Klingon conflict in Discovery, I do not want to cover that old ground and I can't imagine the Cardassians spoiling for a fight at this point, after the Dominion War, I think they would be closer to the Federation for helping them liberate themselves from the Dominion and rebuilding their world, they have more reason to give up imperialism then the Romulans do at this point, they have reason to be grateful for the Federation, meanwhile what has the Federation done for the Romulans, failed to save their planet, tricked them into Dominion war? Plus splits in Romulan society were demonstrated in Unification, just saying they would go away after Romulus is destroyed does not make sense and its silly think only one miner and his crew would be bitter over this.
I do not want the Romulans to get sidelined again by overexposed Klingons or the Cardassians who I think would have moved on from militarism at this point (there like would some pro-militarism terrorists in Cardassia, but I bet most of the population is ready to move on). Let the Romulans finally take center stage, with reoccurring Romulans characters and letting us see what makes the Romulans tick, rather having them get sidelined again. The Klingons can be involved, sure, but I want the Romulans to be the main force driving the plot.
A happy ending should be earned, rather than the Romulans doing a 180. Give the Romulans a good ending and pay off, but do not make it easy.
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Ah it was Hernandez was it, I wondered if it was her as the Columbia was mentioned but I would hardly call her legendary and the only other Captain I could think of that came back was Kirk in the Shatnerverse books which I have read.
They will have to chose one of the options to move forward if they try to setup something separate from all the countless books, games and comics they wont have much room to manoeuvre at all.
Yeah I know roughly what happens in the Destiny series but I haven't read them myself fully, I certainly have time for Ezri Dax/Bashir but Chakotay bores the hell out of me, which is a shame as Paris/Belanna kept Voyager interesting along with Seven.
I said elsewhere, but I do not mind the Klingons being the antagonists. If it's well told, and makes the most sense, go for it. And frankly, I think it makes the most sense.
Chakotay wasn't a major part of the story. I think he was featured just to throw Voyager some love, but it was primarily a Picard/Riker/Dax/Hernandez story.
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That was basically what happened in the "Countdown" comic prequel to ST'09. But it's been clearly stated the show will take place about 20 years after Nemesis, so it's doubtful this will be the focus.
Let's start another thread to list things in Star Trek that are "completely bizarre and near impossible".
Well if you are sick of retreading ground from TUC and Star Trek 09, I am sick rethreading old ground from every Klingon-Federation conflict story, especially after the first season of Discovery, to each their own I suppose. Just my opinions, I would rather see the Romulans take center stage, then the Klingons again.
That is a possible future, not one set in stone and I am kinda sick of Klingon conflicts at this point.
I'm kind of with Overlord. The Klingons have been done to death. I mean it seems everytime someone has a mental block about a story they seem to say, 'let's do Klingons again, they've only been done 5324 times'. I mean, if it were just an episode, no biggie. But I'd rather not devote another series to some Klingon crisis or issue.
If the Klingons are similar (note: not identical) to Discovery then I wouldn't mind them showing up briefly. However, I am in agreement that Klingons, as well as Borg and even Cardassians, need to be shelved for a while and not revisited.
Unfortunately, this being a Picard show, I will be very surprised if the Borg and Klingons don't show up in some way.
If the Klingons are similar (note: not identical) to Discovery then I wouldn't mind them showing up briefly. However, I am in agreement that Klingons, as well as Borg and even Cardassians, need to be shelved for a while and not revisited.
Unfortunately, this being a Picard show, I will be very surprised if the Borg and Klingons don't show up in some way.
Some of that will depend on if they decide to keep any of the Destiny novelverse as part of the backstory, at least Borg wise. I love the Borg as a villain, but I'd be happy to leave them in the past. Klingons will probably show up at some point, maybe even Worf (that is one instance where I wouldn't mind seeing a Klingon), just because I think it's probably required in the CBS Contract (i.e. must feature Klingons at least once during show run). Other familiar aliens? Well that would depend on how they are featured I guess.
Without getting too much into section 31ing it, what if the supernova that destroyed Romulus was deliberately created to do just that and not a naturally occurring event, as one might assume it was?
Of course, not required, but could make for an interesting Picard series development - to be elaborated on...
And what if Eric Bana guest stars as Nero in some capacity! :P
And what if the destruction of Romulus in the Prime is the catalyst for the fall of the Federation - eluded to in the Discovery Short Trek: Calypso?
[saddestmoon gets coat and exits through the failed fan-fic door at the back]
Of course, not required, but could make for an interesting Picard series development - to be elaborated on...
And what if Eric Bana guest stars as Nero in some capacity! :P
And what if the destruction of Romulus in the Prime is the catalyst for the fall of the Federation - eluded to in the Discovery Short Trek: Calypso?
[saddestmoon gets coat and exits through the failed fan-fic door at the back]
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Pretty much all of the extended Star Trek book series and comics continue to concentrate on the Borg or Klingons, few of the other Alpha Quadrant powers could really match Starfleet back then except for the Romulans never mind 20 years later with Transwarp, Quantum Slipstream Drives and Ablative Armor.If the Klingons are similar (note: not identical) to Discovery then I wouldn't mind them showing up briefly. However, I am in agreement that Klingons, as well as Borg and even Cardassians, need to be shelved for a while and not revisited.
Unfortunately, this being a Picard show, I will be very surprised if the Borg and Klingons don't show up in some way.
The Cardassians will probably have joined the Federation and the remaining Romulans may have gone back home to Vulcan to try and keep their culture alive.
The fall of the Romulans will create a vacuum and perhaps one of the lesser shown races will try to fill the void, patiently biding their time and hiding their real strength until the time is right.
Its interesting to note that it was the Romulans that were targeted by the Supernova rather than the Federation and Earth, perhaps the Romulans knew too much about the unknown species and were silenced because of it.
A Supernova is a very effective way of shutting someone up.
Clearly the Romulans are going to ask Picard to be the head of their new government because of his relation to Shinzon.
Maybe they'll get Tom Hardy to return!
Maybe they'll get Tom Hardy to return!
Without getting too much into section 31ing it, what if the supernova that destroyed Romulus was deliberately created to do just that and not a naturally occurring event, as one might assume it was?
Of course, not required, but could make for an interesting Picard series development - to be elaborated on...
And what if Eric Bana guest stars as Nero in some capacity! :P
And what if the destruction of Romulus in the Prime is the catalyst for the fall of the Federation - eluded to in the Discovery Short Trek: Calypso?
[saddestmoon gets coat and exits through the failed fan-fic door at the back]
I think Star Trek Online blamed it on the Iconians and a power-mad Tal Shiar operative named Colonel Hakeev who was willing to sell out his own people (they also made him a psychopath who experimented on Romulans with Borg tech and forced people to fight in gladiator battles for his amusement, so pretty bad guy overall),
I would not mind if the Klingons were involved, I just do not want them to be the main attraction. I think the Romulans deserve the spotlight, they were supposed to be the main bad guys in Nemesis but got sidelined by the Remans and an evil Picard clone and Star Trek 09 featured some rogue miners as the villains, not the main Romulan civilization.
The Romulans were the most reoccurring foes Picard faced, the Klingons were Kirk's enemies, but Picard got along with them. Besides the Borg, the Romulans would the villains I would associate with Picard. The Romulans are Federation's oldest foe and while not as epic or as personal an enemy for Picard as the Borg, they have a history with Picard and Picard ultimately supported Spock's reunification plans and would be saddened to see them end by Romulus' destruction. Plus the Romulans can be reused as adversaries in ways the Borg cannot, they do not lose their menace if they appear often, Picard having to save his old enemies has some pathos to it. But I think we agree on these points.
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Honestly, it just baffles the mind they make a big return of Picard, and they chose the friggin' Romulans as the main baddies again....
Like, there is no Trek baddie more vanilla then them! On TNG they were essentially used anytime they needed an enemy, but not a serious enemy. Hell, even in their only(!) prime movie appereance as badguys ("Nemesis"), they got swapped out for a bald guy with space vampires as underlings to be the actual threat!
Hell, I'd rather watch the return of the Borg again then having the Romulans be the new Klingons again....
Like, there is no Trek baddie more vanilla then them! On TNG they were essentially used anytime they needed an enemy, but not a serious enemy. Hell, even in their only(!) prime movie appereance as badguys ("Nemesis"), they got swapped out for a bald guy with space vampires as underlings to be the actual threat!
Hell, I'd rather watch the return of the Borg again then having the Romulans be the new Klingons again....
There is no such thing as bad characters, only bad writers. Any character or civilization can be great in the hands of the right writers.
Because the Romulans are a bit of blank slate, you can do anything with them and it wouldn't peeve people like it would if you change the Klingons. The Romulans were allowed to win occasionally on TNG and their ships were a match for the Federation's, so I do not see how they are pushovers, they never became jokes like the season one Ferengi did.
They also do not feel overexposed like the Klingons and the Borg do. Plus they would not be the Klingons, the fact that they are refugees after their planet exploded and the now lack a central government makes them different from the Klingon Empire. Plus there is a lot of social commentary you can do with the nomadic Romulans trying to settle on other worlds.
I think you're making assumptions again. Just because Kurtzman said the destruction of Romulus was their jumping off point does not mean they will even feature in the nu-TNG show after that. I certainly would not assume they would be the main baddies. The jist that I got from reading the article is something happens in that event that changes Picard's life in some way. I probably wouldn't read more into it then that simple statement.
Oh, a Romulan might pop up now and again, like any species. But I wouldn't assume they would be the focus of the show. It will be a Picard centric show. That's about as much as we really know. Anything beyond that is just guesswork.
Let's not get too worked up here, we don't even know who the antagonists will be. We know the Hobus Event will be a starting point for the drama, but for all we know the villains are the Breen, the Ferengi, or some new race.
Trek fandom's ability to overreact to nothing is astounding sometimes.
Trek fandom's ability to overreact to nothing is astounding sometimes.
And there may not be a series villain at all. Just because Discovery went that route does not mean the nu-TNG show will. Individual episodes may have a villain, but at this point there's no reason to assume there will be 'one villain' the show focuses on. In fact, with Discovery on the air they may very well want to take this show down a different road.
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