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Picard Season 2 and the 21st Century

Lord Garth

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I've got to wonder how they're going to square the circle of Star Trek's 21st Century versus the real 21st Century? The more I think about it, the less I believe them to be compatible. Terry Metalas has a tall order ahead of him. Not an impossible one, but a tough one.

In Star Trek's 21st Century, there's a United Earth by 2036. ("Encounter at Farpoint") In the real 2036 -- 15 years away -- there's NO chance that's going to happen. None.

In Star Trek's 21st Century, things have devolved into World War III during the middle portion. In the real 21st Century, I think we're never going to have a World War III. Let me explain why: Mutually Assured Destruction is what kept the USA and USSR from going into an actual war during the Cold War. If there was ever going to be a WWIII, it would've happened some time from the 1950s to 1980s. But it didn't. As much as groups of nations of the world don't get along with other groups, we depend on each other for global trade and the global economy too much now. A world war would disrupt and destroy all of that. It isn't going to happen.

Then there's the idea that Humanity will unite when they find out they're not alone. Humanity can't even agree about basic facts and what the truth is anymore. Nothing is universal. Some would embrace the Vulcans and others would completely hate them. The split in opinion would turn the Vulcans into a wedge issue, driving further tension.

So, basically, Picard Season 2 has a very challenging story to tell. Q is sitting in judgment of Humanity ("the trial never ends"), the 21st Century isn't what Star Trek depicted it as, and Humanity during the later stages of the 24th Century has taken a tumble with tragedy and war. No doubt Q will judge that too. Q in Picard criticizing Humanity will probably be a metaphor for criticizing all Star Trek post-TNG/Roddenberry... and Picard will have to defend it.

EDITED TO ADD: Picard is uniquely suited to have the defensive position for the Star Trek Franchise. He's the only character to be a Main Character underneath Gene Roddenberry, Rick Berman, and Alex Kurtzman.
 
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I think they're gonna do what they did in Voyager's "Future's End" and just have Picard and friends visit our current day, with maybe one or two background details (like the Sanctuary District signs) pointing to existing Trek lore of our era. Otherwise it'll be the standard "prevent/make event X happen to save the future!" schtick.
 
There's also something about a space program called the Europa Mission on a poster, and I believe on a outfit Q is wearing in a trailer.
 
There's also something about a space program called the Europa Mission on a poster, and I believe on a outfit Q is wearing in a trailer.

When I first saw this in the trailer, I thought they were referencing Capt. John Christopher's son's mission, but then I remembered that was to Saturn. Would have been a fun reference if they had worked it in somehow.
 
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I've got to wonder how they're going to square the circle of Star Trek's 21st Century versus the real 21st Century? The more I think about it, the less I believe them to be compatible. Terry Metalas has a tall order ahead of him. Not an impossible one, but a tough one.

In Star Trek's 21st Century, there's a United Earth by 2036. ("Encounter at Farpoint") In the real 2036 -- 15 years away -- there's NO chance that's going to happen. None.

I mean, United Earth will have to happen at some point to combat climate change, and the extreme weather that comes with it.

In Star Trek's 21st Century, things have devolved into World War III during the middle portion. In the real 21st Century, I think we're never going to have a World War III. Let me explain why: Mutually Assured Destruction is what kept the USA and USSR from going into an actual war during the Cold War. If there was ever going to be a WWIII, it would've happened some time from the 1950s to 1980s. But it didn't. As much as groups of nations of the world don't get along with other groups, we depend on each other for global trade and the global economy too much now. A world war would disrupt and destroy all of that. It isn't going to happen.

With WWIII, Star Trek thinks it a spinoff from the Eugenics Wars. With Colonel Green’s eco terrorist group being one faction, and the China-led Eastern Coalition being another. And the United Earth banner still being waved during this conflict.

Then there's the idea that Humanity will unite when they find out they're not alone. Humanity can't even agree about basic facts and what the truth is anymore. Nothing is universal. Some would embrace the Vulcans and others would completely hate them. The split in opinion would turn the Vulcans into a wedge issue, driving further tension.

That’s assuming those that held disagreements in the Star Trek universe in the aftermath of first contact did not get killed in the post atomic horror, which lasted decades, while United Earth was put on pause. Those courtrooms as depicted in “Encounter at Farpoint” were brutal.

So, basically, Picard Season 2 has a very challenging story to tell. Q is sitting in judgment of Humanity ("the trial never ends"), the 21st Century isn't what Star Trek depicted it as, and Humanity during the later stages of the 24th Century has taken a tumble with tragedy and war. No doubt Q will judge that too. Q in Picard criticizing Humanity will probably be a metaphor for criticizing all Star Trek post-TNG/Roddenberry... and Picard will have to defend it.

EDITED TO ADD: Picard is uniquely suited to have the defensive position for the Star Trek Franchise. He's the only character to be a Main Character underneath Gene Roddenberry, Rick Berman, and Alex Kurtzman.

Being a very challenging story is a good thing.
 
Being a very challenging story is a good thing.
I'm not entirely sure if you got it, but I also think it's a good thing. If you're familiar with my posts, you'll know I have a pretty high opinion of Picard. I objectively ranked the first season above any of DSC's three previous seasons, and people here know how big of a Disco Fan I am, so if I put Picard over them, that says something coming from me.

I'm sure PIC Season 2 will be extremely good and I'll be as impressed with how they pulled a rabbit of their hat this time as I was when they pulled a rabbit out of their hat picking up 20 years after Nemesis.

I mean, United Earth will have to happen at some point to combat climate change, and the extreme weather that comes with it.
At some point. I just don't think it's going to be in the 2030s.
 
There's also something about a space program called the Europa Mission on a poster, and I believe on a outfit Q is wearing in a trailer.
Was it the Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov, launched in 2010 from the Neo-Trotskyist New Soviet Union, with a stop at Europa to check for signs of life under the ice before proceeding to its final destination in orbit around Io and rendezvous with the USS Discovery? ;)

Seriously though, if they just included the spacecraft / station / Moonbase designs and not the incompatible stuff like the Monoliths, aliens, and Jupiter becoming a star, they fit in pretty well with the super advanced space capabilities of early to mid 21st century Trek Earth.

The USS Discovery could be spin-off project of the DY-series ships.
 
When I first saw this in the trailer, I thought they were referencing Capt. John Christopher's son's mission, but then I remembered that was to Saturn. Would have been a fun reference if they had worked it in somehow.

They changed it to Europa because the red dot was easier to do than the rings.

(That was the chief reason 2001 the movie and the book featured different planets AFAIK. No, "simplifying" of storyline would not have called for that, as just dropping the Jupiter flyby and starting out straight at Saturn would have been trivial.)

All the World Wars could be bunched up as "eugenics" ones by our heroes. After all, by the 24th century, they're supposed to have put ethnic differences between humans behind them, and all the WWs were about ethnic differences first and foremost (and eugenics or getting rid of inferior blood was a big factor in the second one, for at least two major players). Contemporaries would put a different spin on events, though, and PIC faces no contradictions if having the guest stars speak of Trek 21st century phenomena in fashionable real-world terms.

"There was a climate crisis in the 2020s? And this weird social media wars thing? I thought the twenties were about the Nuevo Rico Crisis, which led to WWIII?" would be a valid and expected take, no different from "There was a pandemic in 1918? I thought it was the Armistice year instead?".

Timo Saloniemi
 
In Star Trek's 21st Century, there's a United Earth by 2036. ("Encounter at Farpoint")

No, you're thinking of the New United Nations. They're not the same thing.

United Earth doesn't come into existence until the mid 22nd century.
 
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It seems they tried, it fell apart, then they tried again a century later. It probably took an entire lifetime -- literally -- for attitudes to change.

Look at Civil Rights. The Compromise of 1877 put a halt to the advancement of Black Rights until the 1950s and 1960s. Someone born in 1880 and died in 1950 would've known Jim Crow all their life. And it took that entire lifetime before attitudes changed enough that things could start moving forward again.

My take is that the first United Earth was fragile, most people weren't serious about it, and it couldn't last. The second United Earth had a better foundation and was actually able to become something greater.
 
I like Picard a lot, I really do. But I did feel like they did not really develop the other characters besides Picard and 7 (I do love both characters though). To be honest, I really struggle with the names of the other characters. I don't with Discovery. I am excited for season 2. One thing I am excited for is the development of the other characters.
 
I'm so looking forward how Picard and crew deal with being in the twenty first century and how they deal with trying to straighten things out that Q will try to throw some kind of wrench in their efforts to fix the timeline and set things right.
 
I like Picard a lot, I really do. But I did feel like they did not really develop the other characters besides Picard and 7 (I do love both characters though). To be honest, I really struggle with the names of the other characters. I don't with Discovery. I am excited for season 2. One thing I am excited for is the development of the other characters.

Elnor in particular was not developed at all, despite Picard being a father figure to him, and the fallout of the Romulan supernova being important to the setting. Hopefully, we’ll learn more about him in S2.
 
Elnor in particular was not developed at all, despite Picard being a father figure to him, and the fallout of the Romulan supernova being important to the setting. Hopefully, we’ll learn more about him in S2.

Watching the first 3 episodes, I assumed that was what the entire series was going to be about. By the end of ep 10, they'd basically thrown in everything they could even remotely related to the character of Picard in TNG. I was really bummed that they'd abandoned the potential to develop the Romulan storyline. Now for S2, they're throwing in Q, time travel, and god only knows what. I'm afraid that it's going to be an overly designed wreck, but I hope I'm overreacting.
 
I have a feeling that somehow this season is gonna turn into Picard "saving" our 21st century and turning it into the future envisioned. They are gonna make it all about the current issues. Rios, is gonna get arrested and almost deported, somehow the relationship of Seven and Raffi is gonna be an issue. Jurati will be fine because she's a blond, white woman, but she will have to learn why she's bad in some way.
 
I have a feeling that somehow this season is gonna turn into Picard "saving" our 21st century and turning it into the future envisioned. They are gonna make it all about the current issues. Rios, is gonna get arrested and almost deported, somehow the relationship of Seven and Raffi is gonna be an issue. Jurati will be fine because she's a blond, white woman, but she will have to learn why she's bad in some way.

No. It's still 21st Century Trek Earth. Space travel seems more advanced (planned manned missions to Europa), there's a Soong ancestor, and there's Sanctuary Districts as seen in DS9 Past Tense. Heck it even takes place in the same year as those DS9 episodes, 2024.

Sure it's updated a bit of match real life, there's Department of Homeland Security officers, but a that is a minor thing.

They are gonna make it all about the current issues.
So like what Trek has been doing since 1966?
 
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United Earth = league of nations.
Both fell because no one important joined. So was a paper tiger.
Just waiting for 2063 and the vulcans to un screwup this craphole of a planet..
 
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