Picard question

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by gazomg, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. gazomg

    gazomg Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    According to wiki, ST Picard focuses on the death of Data, and the destruction of romulus as seen in the movie star trek 2009.

    Data died in nemesis which is the standard timeline, and if I am right did not the destruction of Romulus take place in an alternate timeline, so what am I missing ?

    Is ST Picard set between 2 timelines ?
     
  2. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    A fine question - which has been asked before. Please check out other threads like this one when you get a chance so we don't enter a timeloop of repeated points & counterpoints from before.
     
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  3. Dukhat

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    While those events will be touched upon, they’re not what ST Picard will be focused on.

    Both Star Trek: Nemesis and the destruction of Romulus took place in the same prime timeline, so there’s no problem.
     
  4. Tuskin38

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    The Supernova happened in the same Timeline as TNG.
     
  5. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Commodore Commodore

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    I'm curious how someone gets to be a Fleet Captain on a Star Trek message board, but doesn't understand that the destruction of Romulus was in the same universe as TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY.
     
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  6. gazomg

    gazomg Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    First off, the rank on here is based on posts, not some expertise knowledge which you naively think everyone should have because you have.
    I watch star trek , thats it
    I dont read the books, nor play online, or claim to be an expert on abrams rubbish.
    I just watch the tv shows and all the movies not including the last few abrams ones

    Since i have little if any care for the abrams movies and always presumed the destruction of romulus was something mustered up in that abrams crap I paid it little attention. as those movies I watched once with disdain years ago

    I have watched those shows you mentioned TOS, TNG, VOY, ENT,DS9 countless times, and it never appeared in them as far as i recall.

    I hope that satisfies your curiosity
     
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  7. F. King Daniel

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    It happens 8 years after Star Trek: Nemesis in 2387. Star Trek: Picard picks up in 2399. Here's all you need to know. The bits before going into the black hole and creating a new timeline are the same world as Next Gen:
     
  8. The Wormhole

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    It was well established that Leonard Nimoy in the Abrams films was playing the same Spock from TOS. Indeed, the fact he's listed in the credits as "Spock Prime" is the whole reason we now call the events of TOS, TNG, their associated movies, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise the "Prime Universe." Therefore that would have to mean the timeline he's from, is the same that all the Star Trek productions from 1966-2005 take place.
     
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  9. cbl1

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    gazomg - the actual premise of the Abrams Star Trek is that in the Prime Timeline, that all the other shows and movies are based on …. Romulus was destroyed by a supernova. Without getting into all of the details, Prime Spock, Leonard Nemoy, was also thrown back in time during this supernova as a result of his attempts to contain it. Thus the destruction of Romulus is in the real prime timeline and happened after Star Trek: Nemesis. Prime Spock according to Star Fleet would have died in the destruction of Romulus (as they have no knowledge that he went back in time and entered into another timeline completely - JJverse). So those are the only 2 plot points that happened in the Prime Universe that were made canon in the JJ movies - Romulus was destroyed and Prime Spock was lost in its destruction. All other parts of the JJ movies have no impact on the Prime Timeline and if not interested in the JJ movies you don't need to know. But those 2 plot points are what you need to know from the JJ movies that actually happened in the normal prime timeline after Nemesis and before Picard.

    I hope that in general explains it to you.
     
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  10. fireproof78

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    Spock is from the Prime timeline, where Data died. The destruction of Romulus occurred in the Nemesis timeline, as you called it.
     
  11. Kirk the Jerk

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    I'm betting Data will only be seen in flash backs and as a hologram. It's B-4 we see in the drawer, likely due to not being stable enough to lead a normal life. Romulus being destroyed is prime timeline and it's destruction is the reason we have the Abrams movies :thumbdown: ..as mentioned above.
     
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    This road looks familiar. I think we’ve driven down it before.
     
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  13. fireproof78

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    Well, ten years of travel will do that to a person.
     
  14. The Old Mixer

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  15. Kor

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    The entire movie ST09 does not take place in an alternate timeline. The 24th century parts are in the same universe as TNG/VOY/DS9/etc. Spock traveled back in time from that point and ended up in an alternate version of the 23rd century.

    Kor
     
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  16. Danlav05

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    There are long term fans who STILL don’t get this!?
     
  17. fireproof78

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    It's the debate that will never die. Largely because time travel within Trek has been inconsistent in its application, means, and effects. So, it's unsurprising that it is confusing.
     
  18. WarpFactorZ

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    But the issue with which the OP has a problem isn't confusing at all. "Is the destruction of Romulus in an alternate timeline?" It's very straightforward and spelled out in the movie through the mind-meld scene. Now, when I asked about it, the OP said something to the effect of not being up on "JJ rubbish", so I assume this just means he never saw the film because of some grudge (childhood raped and all that). But even so, why would a life-long Star Trek fan not go see the movie out of curiosity? (especially after a decade).
     
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  19. fireproof78

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    Not all Star Trek is for everyone. My dad hasn't seen a single frame of a TNG film, and he saw TOS when it came out, as well as every episode of the show, every TOS film in theaters, as well as the Abrams' film.

    Same for me. I will likely not see a QT Star Trek film. Being a fan isn't blind loyalty.
     
  20. DaveyNY

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    But it should at least come with some inherent curiosity.
    I'm not crazy about many of the episodes and a couple of the movies, but as a Star Trek FAN I have at least taken the time to see each of them at least once.
    Isn't that what being a FAN is all about?