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Picard...checking privilege?

I think that compliments the trend that was already being shown with the Defiant class. That tech probably made it more powerful.
 
I had not liked how seemingly small the Inquiry-class ships (that's what Michael Chabon has identified the USS Zheng He's class as) were in "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part II," but the possibility that they're constructed to be of minimal size for tactical reasons while still being more powerful than earlier capital ships because of the advanced technology Voyager brought back is something I hadn't thought of. That's a really good insight!

Fascinating historical facts about the name of the starship in question:

http://blog.calicutheritage.com/2012/10/was-zheng-he-colonialist.html
https://www.quora.com/Who-was-Zheng-He-Was-he-significant-in-Chinese-history?share=1
https://learnodo-newtonic.com/zheng-he-facts

Mr. Chabon clearly has a piqued interest in ancient history. And a cool hairdo too.
 
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I think that compliments the trend that was already being shown with the Defiant class. That tech probably made it more powerful.

Pedantry becomes me, is it the technician or the technology? Or did the technician augment the technology? :biggrin: (And who was the hipster that turned the first syllable, the diminutive, into a disparate word anyway... maybe they watched "Idiocracy" on their holo and felt it was a documentary... :devil:)
 
The problem with this sort of analysis is that it makes the assumption that these women were not behaving in accordance to their own volition and agency with respect to their wardrobe, careers and other factors simply because they are what some might call 'stereotypes'.
Oh yes yes, absolutely! It's just by coincidence that we didn't see other strong women with agency in TNG in a regular role, but they are out there somewhere, probably in some other deck, I swear!

...you know how much ridiculous it sounds when someone answers "But the character really wanted that!" when one criticizes the writing of a particular work of fiction..?

I will try to suggest this kind of defense when someone will criticize some incredibly degrading porn: "But Debbie really wanted the Pizza boy to humiliate and insult her heavily, and she was really incredibly stupid and inferior to men! She even said so!". I'm sure it will fly incredibly well.
 
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Well, today, Remember to look at things without rose colored glasses, and not put todays standards on yesterdays.
Granted even back then this was Bs with catsuits..
Today, you would write a script, pilot, series etc. and do interviews, and ask Her, or even him, if they are comfortable doing x or y and whatever costume they may have in mind for that character. what they are planing for said character, and seeing how the actress or actor is good , and if not, what needs to change to make them comfortable, or its a non starter at all.
Now people will bend over backwards for a job, even actors, they'll say, youll need to wear this tight costume and walk sexy, 9 times out of 10 they'll say, Yep no problem! when in there mind there like.. ah crap..
What we do need is an honest conversation with the actress/actors and make sure there needs are taken care of.. To A Point.. this is a business, take care of some stuff, but not bend over backwards for a over needy actress/or.
But in the end, sex still sells, and there will continue to be scantly clad women AND men in shows.
But what needs to end is Women who where a costume that they can't breathe in, and takes 20 minutes to take a pee, or berating women and men to lose weight, thats not okay.
 
Well, today, Remember to look at things without rose colored glasses, and not put todays standards on yesterdays.
Granted even back then this was Bs with catsuits..
Today, you would write a script, pilot, series etc. and do interviews, and ask Her, or even him, if they are comfortable doing x or y and whatever costume they may have in mind for that character. what they are planing for said character, and seeing how the actress or actor is good , and if not, what needs to change to make them comfortable, or its a non starter at all.
Now people will bend over backwards for a job, even actors, they'll say, youll need to wear this tight costume and walk sexy, 9 times out of 10 they'll say, Yep no problem! when in there mind there like.. ah crap..
What we do need is an honest conversation with the actress/actors and make sure there needs are taken care of.. To A Point.. this is a business, take care of some stuff, but not bend over backwards for a over needy actress/or.
But in the end, sex still sells, and there will continue to be scantly clad women AND men in shows.
But what needs to end is Women who where a costume that they can't breathe in, and takes 20 minutes to take a pee, or berating women and men to lose weight, thats not okay.
Sometimes, faced with a criticism of a particularly problematic female representation in a film or TV show, people make the rebuttal "But if that particular actress agreed, what's the problem ???". A classic (and in-topic) example is Jeri Ryan, who in various interviews said she understands why the producers asked her at the time to wear the infamous catsuit and she was ok with that.
 
On the other hand, I bet she's glad she isn't being required to dress like a walking fetish object as a precondition of employment today.

Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis have been very open about their dissatisfaction with how their characters were written and sexually objectified in TNG.
 
Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis have been very open about their dissatisfaction with how their characters were written and sexually objectified in TNG.
But it was their characters' decision to be objectified! What the heck the actresses know! Don't you know that you are sexist if you object to choices that female characters made freely? These SJWs are such hypocrites!
 
Sometimes, faced with a criticism of a particularly problematic female representation in a film or TV show, people make the rebuttal "But if that particular actress agreed, what's the problem ???". A classic (and in-topic) example is Jeri Ryan, who in various interviews said she understands why the producers asked her at the time to wear the infamous catsuit and she was ok with that.
She definitely understood. I'm not sure how to take her "was ok with that" if she sid it. I know she said she was very aware she was supposed to be the babe and she accepted the job because she had a kid to fed. (Obviously nobody put a gun to her head so she would play the part.) She also described how she would actually get a terrible back pain from the suit. So yeah, she definitely accepted the condition of wearing it but I don't think that makes it remotely ok. My impression from those statements I have seen (haven't seen the one you mentioned), she sucked it up to have her chance on tv. How that makes it ok is beyond me.

And that's even without considering what those things mean in the graner scheme of things (even if all the actresses were ecstatic about it).
Well, today, Remember to look at things without rose colored glasses, and not put todays standards on yesterdays.
I don't have to. I was around at the time it aired and remember what I thought at the time, and what the standards were.

We must also avoid to make excuses for things automaticlly because they happened in the past. I'm sure I wasn't the only person at the time who knew that...

Granted even back then this was Bs with catsuits..
Indeed.
Today, you would write a script, pilot, series etc. and do interviews, and ask Her, or even him, if they are comfortable doing x or y and whatever costume they may have in mind for that character. what they are planing for said character, and seeing how the actress or actor is good , and if not, what needs to change to make them comfortable, or its a non starter at all.
What we do need is an honest conversation with the actress/actors and make sure there needs are taken care of.. To A Point.. this is a business, take care of some stuff, but not bend over backwards for a over needy actress/or.
Sure, but that is only one side of the coin. There also need to be a wider onversation: What image of women/ men are we projecting, and do we want to project this?
But in the end, sex still sells, and there will continue to be scantly clad women AND men in shows.
This statement suggests there was some sort of "both sides (genders) are treated equally in this regard", which is just not remotely true.
 
I was saying that men are usually ignored when it comes to this, not equal.
Example is, domestic violence, II know a bad example but am treading lightly as it is a good example..
Men are hardly ever belived, even ridiculed a women hiting you? Just take it, what did u do? Call urself a man?? Stuff like that but women are believed even over the actual battered men.
No battered mens shelters, etc.
Is it as much as women? No but it does happen,

Actors get paraded around to. Just not as much but does happen.
 
I don't see the connection of the sexual violence topic to the topic of women being sexualized in the media.

Oh wait, with "paraded around," are you saying men get sexualized and objectified on tv, but they just don't get the same attention for their complaints? Seriously?

OK, whatever. I have made my point and I believe everyone who wants to understand has understood. Trying not to beat a dead horse.
 
I don't see the connection of the sexual violence topic to the topic of women being sexualized in the media.

It is my understanding that many years worth of sociological studies have demonstrated a strong correlation between the sexual objectification of women, and higher percentages of acts of violence against women.
 
I don't know if Picard "needed" to be humbled. But I couldn't stand seeing everyone contemptuously looking down their nose at him in Season 1. I've seen enough of that kind of thing in real life. I wanted something a little more uplifting.

Kor
 
I don't know if Picard "needed" to be humbled. But I couldn't stand seeing everyone contemptuously looking down their nose at him in Season 1. I've seen enough of that kind of thing in real life. I wanted something a little more uplifting.

The season literally ends with him saving the galaxy and everyone revering or fearing him again, so...
 
The season literally ends with him saving the galaxy and everyone revering or fearing him again, so...
And gaining that renewed glory without addressing the central issue that put him in the doghouse, the Romulans in the wasteland. They're still there, still the galaxy's kicking dummies.
 
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