What about the crashed Borg ship in that episode of Enterprise that was a result of Picard going back in time and blowing it up?
Picard and Crew died in Generations
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Every Star Trek film and TV episode released after Generations, and by extension all of Voyager and Enterprise, is just Picard's fantasy. Which also goes some way to explaining why the NX-01 looks suspiciously like the presumably just-introduced Akira class, and why the technology looks more like it belongs to the TNG era than TOS.
Wait a second... if that theory IS true, then it means that the last real episode of DS9 was "Meridian" ! I take it back, this theory is wrong! Wrong, I tell you!
For that matter, we can't know for absolutely certain Picard ever really exited the holodeck in ship in a bottle. So perhaps nothing that happened after that episode is "real"...
Exactly. First Contact was a figment of Picard's imagination. Therefore, anything branching off from it, regardless of the time period (i.e. ENT), is also a Nexus-induced figment of his imagination. I mean, how else does one explain how the TNG segments of TATV don't line up with the actual "The Pegasus" episode?
Oh, come on, now you're just being silly. Of course Picard really exited the holodeck after Ship in a Bottle. To think otherwise is just plain ridiculous.
As far as Kirk just getting there, you can also just make the assumption that Picard never actually met Kirk. Kirk lived out the rest of his lifespan in the Nexus, died decades ago, and "Kirk" just got there because the fantasy was freshly constructed for Picard.
I find the concept of the Nexus "fooling" people to be a little dubious. It's a spacial anomaly, and I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion that it has an intent, or consciousness to keep people there. The fantasy and the desire to stay could simply just be an effect of how it interacts with the humanoid brain.
I also feel that Picard's fantasy had very little to do with Kirk at all, or necessarily being an action hero. His fantasy, if indeed he never left the anomaly, was to save the Enterprise and succeed in stopping Soran. Since Picard failed to do that on his own, his mind grasped at straws to make that happen, and there were only 2 people he knew of that had been in the Nexus... and he met both of them.
It would be difficult for Picard to believe that a 140-year-old Kirk would be terribly useful to accomplish the goal.
I find the concept of the Nexus "fooling" people to be a little dubious. It's a spacial anomaly, and I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion that it has an intent, or consciousness to keep people there. The fantasy and the desire to stay could simply just be an effect of how it interacts with the humanoid brain.
I also feel that Picard's fantasy had very little to do with Kirk at all, or necessarily being an action hero. His fantasy, if indeed he never left the anomaly, was to save the Enterprise and succeed in stopping Soran. Since Picard failed to do that on his own, his mind grasped at straws to make that happen, and there were only 2 people he knew of that had been in the Nexus... and he met both of them.
It would be difficult for Picard to believe that a 140-year-old Kirk would be terribly useful to accomplish the goal.
I thought the whole reason that Soren wanted 'in' was that you live forever in the Nexus and he wanted immortality. So Kirk may well still be alive. I agree that if we buy in to this idea, the Kirk that Picard met may or may not be Kirk, equally Guinan may or may not be Guinan, there may be no escape from the Nexus and Picard just created a Guinan who'd tell him what he wanted to hear...
Nah, since DS9 was around before Generations it gets to exist all the way to the end
Nah, since DS9 was around before Generations it gets to exist all the way to the end
Doesn't work, sadly, because neither Worf nor Will Riker would be alive in the Prime timeline. Will Riker wasn't in Defiant (the episode after Meridian), but O'Brien would have had a different reaction to seeing Thomas Riker if Will Riker had died at Veridian.
Well, if you want to go by stardate rather than the release date of Generations, then the Enterprise-D's destruction would actually have occurred roughly around the time of "Improbable Cause"/"The Die is Cast" (it's difficult to tell exactly, since almost none of the episodes in the second half of DS9 Season 3 have stardates for some odd reason). Though it still doesn't explain how Worf showed up on DS9, unless his honour momentarily deserted him and he commandeered a shuttle, then high-tailed it out of the system and left his shipmates to be blown to shreds.
Kirk is dead. He was blasted to smithereens on the Enterprise by the Nexus. That's how history will see it. I think. Who Picard encounters chopping wood is not Kirk, but his fantasy interpretation of Kirk.
Not me, since I don't like most of the bits from DS9 in it's 4th through 7th season. I'm rewatching this series now, I'm in it's 3rd season and just finished "The Defiant" an okay episode but it's one which explores another fantastic dynamic of Gul Dukat. He is completely ruined in the later seasons.
I don't think it was ever established that one is immortal while in the Nexus. Neither Guinan nor Soran outright stated that, anyway.
Why would Picard fantasize about Kirk chopping wood, burning breakfast, and having a girlfriend named "Antonia" who nobody ever heard of before?
Probably because the last time anyone heard from Kirk before he stepped on the bridge of the Enterprise-B, he was a retiree living in a cabin in the woods with a woman named Antonia?
Overthinking, it is.
The energy ribbon is a "temporal nexus," as described by Picard to Kirk. It is literally the meeting of all time in one place.
The El-Aurians who were rescued from the Nexus were ripped away just as they were entering it. They had no understanding of where they had been or what they had experienced, except that they had seen what was the happiest time in their lives. Guinan's echo was just a part of herself that was left behind. There may have been that same type of echo of Soran, a part of him that he desperately wanted to get back.
If the Nexus was the meeting of all time, it makes sense that Kirk's arrival was at the same time as Picard's.
So, if the Nexus contained every place and time that it had traveled through, it makes sense that one could leave it at any point in time.
Once Picard and Kirk realized that what they were experiencing in the Nexus was not their reality, they knew that they could step out of it at the precise point in time to meet Soran on Veridian III.
If Soran had just escaped the Enterprise B Sick Bay and gone to the deflector section, he could have had what he wanted.
Or something like that.
The energy ribbon is a "temporal nexus," as described by Picard to Kirk. It is literally the meeting of all time in one place.
The El-Aurians who were rescued from the Nexus were ripped away just as they were entering it. They had no understanding of where they had been or what they had experienced, except that they had seen what was the happiest time in their lives. Guinan's echo was just a part of herself that was left behind. There may have been that same type of echo of Soran, a part of him that he desperately wanted to get back.
If the Nexus was the meeting of all time, it makes sense that Kirk's arrival was at the same time as Picard's.
So, if the Nexus contained every place and time that it had traveled through, it makes sense that one could leave it at any point in time.
Once Picard and Kirk realized that what they were experiencing in the Nexus was not their reality, they knew that they could step out of it at the precise point in time to meet Soran on Veridian III.
If Soran had just escaped the Enterprise B Sick Bay and gone to the deflector section, he could have had what he wanted.
Or something like that.
Did Picard know that?
Overthinking, it is.
The energy ribbon is a "temporal nexus," as described by Picard to Kirk. It is literally the meeting of all time in one place.
The El-Aurians who were rescued from the Nexus were ripped away just as they were entering it. They had no understanding of where they had been or what they had experienced, except that they had seen what was the happiest time in their lives. Guinan's echo was just a part of herself that was left behind. There may have been that same type of echo of Soran, a part of him that he desperately wanted to get back.
If the Nexus was the meeting of all time, it makes sense that Kirk's arrival was at the same time as Picard's.
So, if the Nexus contained every place and time that it had traveled through, it makes sense that one could leave it at any point in time.
Once Picard and Kirk realized that what they were experiencing in the Nexus was not their reality, they knew that they could step out of it at the precise point in time to meet Soran on Veridian III.
If Soran had just escaped the Enterprise B Sick Bay and gone to the deflector section, he could have had what he wanted.
Or something like that.
Had the Nexus already been to Veridian III then?
I think they had a couple of shots at destroying the sun but how did they get there in the first place if the Nexus had never been there, I'm so confused.
So we watched not one but two captains have a midlife crisis?
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