I agree.
[<-- me laughing at the comparison]Mostly agree. I think they'll go more "thriller" than "dark" however it will get a touch darker than TNG generally got … relatively speaking.
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I agree.
[<-- me laughing at the comparison]Mostly agree. I think they'll go more "thriller" than "dark" however it will get a touch darker than TNG generally got … relatively speaking.
Not a show that I see as getting any darker than your average DS9 outing.
She may have stayed at Chateau Picard for awhile and then moved on after getting over Robert's death. People can have more than one spouse in their life.
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For me, DS9 is still the gold standard of Star Trek discussing the issues of ethics and morality as something more than a hypothetical black and white scenario. "Good" people did bad things, and "bad" people did heroic things. I crave that kind of exploration again, and with the same (or better) quality of writing and storytelling. Picard seems up to the challenge, I hope.
Lol. A Private Little War has been rightfully been accused of being a simplistic apology for the Vietnam War almost from the get go. As for The High Ground, it's not much better, but demonstrates that The Federation and Starfleet in general and Picard in particular were never interested in problems where people were dying if it was anything that would be complicated to resolve. Kind of plays into the new series really.
Because of "context." The context of time in which the respective TV shows (Discovery vs TOS; TNG vs Picard) were produced (which is the same reason we forgive the disparity in set and costume design and overall look). Audience expectation is a bit more sophisticated and demanding. Hell, today's internet would generally shred a series that was as straightforward as TOS today.
I think the one thing that stuck out to me, was the Romulan at the end that pretty much looked like Discovery Spock. A little too spot on.
Have to agree to disagree.
Have to agree to disagree.
I agree.
Mostly agree. I think they'll go more "thriller" than "dark" however it will get a touch darker than TNG generally got … relatively speaking.
Well, it does start off with our main character a shell of himself who's wasted 15 years of his life after suffering the most heart breaking and humilating failure of his life. Pretty depressing that. Mind you, something that I could always see coming at some point, even back in '87.
The Orville get a lot of love, at least from some quarters, and its intentionally as simplistic, possibly even more so than similar TNG and TOS concepts it copies. There's a whole lot of people pining for the good old days right now.
Which makes now different from any other point in history how? People, by and large, are always pining for "the good old days".
Agreed. Darker than TNG and lighter than DS9.
I agree that DS9 is the gold standard for Star Trek in many ways, however, "quality" is not mutually exclusive to "darker." I think Deep Space Nine was a much needed evolution in Trek's writing and maturing process to stay relevent. I also believe Discovery and Picard are also evolutionary steps in that CBS is focused on making the franchise competitive. Part of that is these shows have to be sought out and paid for to see. These new offerings pretty much operate on commission rather than salaried (like network shows … how's that for a metaphor?).
Another sign of the times to contextualize Discovery and Picard: DS9 was penalized for its relative sophistication and complexity by lack of studio support and promotion while the recent CBS offerings are embraced and heavily promoted.
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think Discovery was remotely as sophisticated as any Trek that came before it (and really struggles against many of the shows in the new landscape). I'm still out on Picard, because we simply don't know where it is headed.
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Well, when I say quality I mean how they took pains to make the characters nuanced, to make their words believable not just for us, but for themselves. These weren't people who believed Starfleet was always good, or that the needs of the Cardassians were without merit. They pushed to make you understand how the other side of the coin lived, and took positions that could be often controversial. In The Pale Moonlight is a damned good episode for a reason, and not just because it's darker, but it does help.Agreed. Darker than TNG and lighter than DS9.
I agree that DS9 is the gold standard for Star Trek in many ways, however, "quality" is not mutually exclusive to "darker." I think Deep Space Nine was a much needed evolution in Trek's writing and maturing process to stay relevent. I also believe Discovery and Picard are also evolutionary steps in that CBS is focused on making the franchise competitive. Part of that is these shows have to be sought out and paid for to see. These new offerings pretty much operate on commission rather than salaried (like network shows … how's that for a metaphor?).
Another sign of the times to contextualize Discovery and Picard: DS9 was penalized for its relative sophistication and complexity by lack of studio support and promotion while the recent CBS offerings are embraced and heavily promoted.
Have to disagree here. Orville is a situational dramedy and not a straight drama which makes all the difference in the world.
Like TOS, Orville is all over the map where it comes to its tone, and often is just as dramatic as TOS could be.
I haz them on DVD, having lost my VHS.
However, I no longer have multi region player
On plus side, it’s how I figured out BR2049 from the trailer xD
One of the reasons I love it. I don't know what to expect from week to week. Except for a good time.
I agree.
Mostly agree. I think they'll go more "thriller" than "dark" however it will get a touch darker than TNG generally got … relatively speaking.
I did t say it was darker, I said it was more grimdark
(Though I had also temporarily forgotten Alien 3. That happens)
I disagree. Not to put words in your mouth but it reads to me that your complaint has more to do with "quality" than "sophistication." I think folks could rightly argue that Discovery was perhaps overly sophisticated to the point of getting in its own way (a lot of which I chalk up to the high showrunner and writing turnover). Again, overall, I love Discovery and give it a thumb's up, however, I am not blind to it's short cummings. As for "Picar," I agree, one episode is not enough to judge but it is enough to have made me hopeful.
Excellently put. For the record, "In the pale moonlight" was brilliant and definitely "gold standard!"