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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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Longinus said:
Information on organisation that openly existed 120 years ago would of course be readily available,.
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There is actually plent of evidence supplied that Section 31 does not operate with the knowledge of the Federation public. And Starfleet has a history of classifying information so that its availability to all but high ranking officers is restricted.
 
I imagine the show will end with Starfleet once again being the Starfleet we all know and love. This is just Its moody stage. :)
 
Alan Roi said:
There is actually plent of evidence supplied that Section 31 does not operate with the knowledge of the Federation public. And Starfleet has a history of classifying information so that its availability to all but high ranking officers is restricted.
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Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself and derailing this thread. Your nonsense has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
 
thribs said:
I imagine the show will end with Starfleet once again being the Starfleet we all know and love. This is just Its moody stage. :)
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I very much expect that. Also, whilst 'corrupt Federation' definitely is not something I particularly wanted to see, it was done with some nuance here. Federation planned to help the Romulans, they only gave up once there was a massive set back. So they're really not full on evil, though their inaction is still condemnable. But it is portrayed as a complicated situation.
 
Longinus said:
I very much expect that. Also, whilst 'corrupt Federation' definitely is not something I particularly wanted to see, it was done with some nuance here. Federation planned to help the Romulans, they only gave up once there was a massive set back. So they're really not full on evil, though their inaction is still condemnable. But it is portrayed as a complicated situation.
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It looks like Starfleet (and the Federation) only goes full-on evil in the next season of Discovery, since that takes place in the 31st century and, according to the previews, most of the planets have left the Federation.
 
Alan Roi said:
And Starfleet has a history of classifying information so that its availability to all but high ranking officers is restricted.
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Pike drops it casually in front of Burnham. She isn't an admiral. She isn't a highly decorate captain like Pike. She's virtually a nobody. You could argue she was almost a captain before her mutiny, so maybe this information was shared with captains and above. How many captains are in Starfleet? Thousands? You seriously think in a completely open society, with unrestricted access to information sharing, something of this magnitude and moral dubiousness and known by that many individuals could be swept under the rug? I suppose it wouldn't be the most unbelievable plot point in Discovery, but it would be pushing it.
 
Alan Roi said:
There is actually plent of evidence supplied that Section 31 does not operate with the knowledge of the Federation public. And Starfleet has a history of classifying information so that its availability to all but high ranking officers is restricted.
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No, there is no evidence of that at all. Again, Discovery was not the average Starfleet ship, so their knowledge of Section 31 should not be interpreted as general knowledge.
Datasbeard said:
Pike drops it casually in front of Burnham.
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She had just saved Earth and stopped a war and earned her own decorations. She is assigned to an experimental Starfleet vessel. There is not reason for her not to know. Her clearance level may be consistent with her assignment.
 
Lord Garth said:
I think Dahj and Soji's mother will be a character we'll see again.

And the fact that she knows enough to tell Dahj to go see Picard probably means she knows something about Maddox.
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I still think she's just a program, either manifested/projected by Dahj's unactivated subconscious, or running somewhere in Maddox's lab.
 
Datasbeard said:
Pike drops it casually in front of Burnham. She isn't an admiral. She isn't a highly decorate captain like Pike. She's virtually a nobody. You could argue she was almost a captain before her mutiny, so maybe this information was shared with captains and above. How many captains are in Starfleet? Thousands? You seriously think in a completely open society, with unrestricted access to information sharing, something of this magnitude and moral dubiousness and known by that many individuals could be swept under the rug? I suppose it wouldn't be the most unbelievable plot point in Discovery, but it would be pushing it.
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I agree its pushing it, but Starfleet has never been completely open organization and holds many, many, many secrets that aren't widely known or available even to most of its own people.
 
Alan Roi said:
I agree its pushing it, but Starfleet has never been completely open organization and holds many, many, many secrets that aren't widely known or available even to most of its own people.
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I wonder how many people know that the Greek gods were real, that the Klingons, Cardassians and humans share a common ancestor, that Starfleet was taken over by alien parasites, etc.
 
Datasbeard said:
I still think she's just a program, either manifester/projected by Dahj's unactivated subconscious, or running somewhere in Maddox's lab.
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I don't know. Dahj thought she was a regular person. She must go out in public and with her mother at some point. If she was with her mother and she only saw her, other people would wonder, "Who are you talking to?"

The only way that works is if she were only created recently. I don't discount it, but we have to wonder how much actual history Dahj and Soji have.
 
100+ years is more than enough time for selective info to be quietly deleted from any database.

Just saying.

If S-31 no longer wanted its presence to be known, I'm almost positive they would come up with some kind of program to slip into the public domain to take it out.

Just leaving behind a general knowledge about what it's original purpose was.

Eventually, it would fall completely out of being discussed or remembered by the average citizen, thus the fact that it is completely unknown by the time of DS-9.
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If anybody went looking, all they would find is the original data from the Federation Charter and perhaps info that it was once a division of Star Fleet Intelligence.
 
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