Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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  1. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Romulans are long lived like Vulcans. Maybe it's a recast of the same character!!! :O (the Romulan commander in TOS was never given a name on screen)

    Ok @Greg Cox you need to write a novel to make this happen. ;)

    Maybe she and Picard spent the days trading Spock stories. :rommie:
     
  2. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    We've seen, however, time and time again, even to the end of Voyager, no matter all of Picards speeches have erased the primordial fear of the other even in the late 24th century. We still see it in TNG, DS9 and VOY. As long as there are others out there in the universe who still aren't passed that nonsense, and human beings with human impulses, you will get cycles. Civilization is not a straight line to utopia.
     
  3. jaime

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    As she said ‘Romulan lives’.
    Prejudice between species, then later, between federation species and non-federation species, often rears it’s head in Trek. That’s how we get the allegories. This time it’s post 9/11, post financial crash world. I’m alright jack and hang the rest.

    Incidentally, that ex Astris review was terrible.
     
  4. cooleddie74

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    Archer was bigoted towards Vulcans for decades. Vulcans didn't think highly of humans. It's been a rough journey for tolerance ever since First Contact.
     
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  5. Butters

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    I get that, and they’re some of my favourite episodes, but that sort of makes it worse. It’s like, they did that already, in Balance of Terror, Devil in the Dark...

    And look what happened to admiral Norah at the end of the Drumhead. She’s wheeled away, as a nutcase. I’d like trek to decide whether Humans in the future have sussed it out or not.

    TNG characters were a bit too perfect maybe, but that was also the point, for me. What I took from trek was that, in the future, we humans still had the capability to be dicks, but could recognise when we were being dicks, and then not be dicks. The dicks that continued to be dicks anyway, they got promoted to admiral, on TNG.

    Picard was an old man being attacked for things beyond his control. That was tabloid sensationalism, not reporting. He’d been retired and waiting to die for how long? The interview, and interviewer made little sense to me.
     
  6. jaime

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    It didn’t. It was the plasma rifle. We literally saw her attacker beamed out mid fall just before. An expensive effect for cool factor, but what if it’s a little bit of a clue? I am coming around to thinking she lost a lot of skin, but underneath... beamed out. They wanted her for something, they wanted her activated, there was no apparent intent to destroy. I could be wrong, but something about the sequence of events. I think those were federation transporters doing the beam out too.
     
  7. jaime

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    The point Picard (the man, and indeed the series) always makes is that you don’t rest, you keep working to maintain that high standard.
     
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  8. JoeZhang

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    Like Worf the racist who lets a man die because he will not give him a blood transfusion?
     
  9. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    The interview was just badly written. The reporter acted in a way no professional would in the 21st Century, let alone the 24th.
     
  10. DaveyNY

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    The Phaser Rifle blew up, not Dahj.
    She was melting.

    (So was the rifle, as soon as it's power core became exposed it blew)
     
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  11. Butters

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    Worf, the halfwit that snarls at button operated doors.

    I don’t think of Worf when I imagine 24th century humans.
     
  12. ghjcmo

    ghjcmo Cadet Newbie

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    Help me out here, I must be COMPLETELY blocking out something here. Data's mother?
     
  13. Butters

    Butters Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Thank you.

    That was an awful scene. It just didn’t work on any level.
     
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  14. Butters

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    I’d forgotten about that too.
     
  15. Noname Given

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    Or Picard the hypocrite in that Starfleet/The Federation is supposed to be tolerant or all cultures and their traditions and beliefs - except that EVERYTIME Worf did something uniquely Klingon that no one on Q'Nos or on the High Council has a problem with...Picard gives him a 5 minute dressing down/lecture on how WRONG he was to do it.
     
  16. DaveyNY

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    Juliana Tainer.
     
  18. Greg Cox

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    Exactly. You can't just declare by fiat that, well, humans have evolved past all that negative stuff for good now, so we don't have to worry about it any more. Every generation has to fight to preserve what the previous generation attained--and maybe push the ball a bit further down the road.

    Society and institutions may progress, but human nature is human nature. And progress can regress if you're not vigilant.

    Remember "The Enemy Within"? The whole point of that ep is that Kirk can't just discard his more primitive aspects. He needs both his positive and negative instincts to fully whole and human. Indeed, as Kirk was fond of pointing out, we're not built to live in Paradise. We're always going to have to struggle against our darker angels.

    "We're not going to kill . . . today."
     
  19. DaveyNY

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    Obviously you haven't seen the evening FOX NEWS or CNN recently.
    (both have Hosts that go for the throat on occasion)
     
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  20. Yistaan

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    At this point I'm wondering if Picard and Worf are even on speaking terms considering Picard's overwhelming support of helping the Romulans even against Federation orders.