Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Yistaan]

And I loved that the female caretaker in PICARD looked very reminiscent of the original female Romulan in "The Enterprise Incident."

Romulans are long lived like Vulcans. Maybe it's a recast of the same character!!! :O (the Romulan commander in TOS was never given a name on screen)

Ok @Greg Cox you need to write a novel to make this happen.

Maybe she and Picard spent the days trading Spock stories.

 

[Alan Roi]

Loved it. But, I almost turned it off during the aggressive interviewer exposition scene. Where were her evolved sensibilities then? How did a hack like that even get time with Picard?

Independently, it held up well, but in the wider trek continuity, it jars a bit. Federation resources are effectively infinite. Class M planets are ten a penny. Trek doesn’t feel like the right vehicle to tell stories of prejudice when it’s founding theme was that we were past all that nonsense in the future.

I’m also interested to see where the holographic rights thing went, with the rise of the synthetics. I hated that particular bit of trek, but I don’t want it ignored.

I could pick this apart. Dissect every line and nuance, breaking it down by wonderful homage and canon aberration, and I will because I’m a Trekkie.

We've seen, however, time and time again, even to the end of Voyager, no matter all of Picards speeches have erased the primordial fear of the other even in the late 24th century. We still see it in TNG, DS9 and VOY. As long as there are others out there in the universe who still aren't passed that nonsense, and human beings with human impulses, you will get cycles. Civilization is not a straight line to utopia.

 

[jaime]

We've seen, however, time and time again, even to the end of Voyager, no matter all of Picards speeches have erased the primordial fear of the other even in the late 24th century. We still see it in TNG, DS9 and VOY. As long as there are others out there in the universe who still aren't passed that nonsense, and human beings with human impulses, you will get cycles. Civilization is not a straight line to utopia.

As she said ‘Romulan lives’.
Prejudice between species, then later, between federation species and non-federation species, often rears it’s head in Trek. That’s how we get the allegories. This time it’s post 9/11, post financial crash world. I’m alright jack and hang the rest.

Incidentally, that ex Astris review was terrible.

 

[cooleddie74]

Archer was bigoted towards Vulcans for decades. Vulcans didn't think highly of humans. It's been a rough journey for tolerance ever since First Contact.

 

[Butters]

But . . . but TREK has always done stories about overcoming prejudice. "Balance of Terror," "Devil in the Dark," "Duet," "The Drumhead," The Undiscovered Country, etc.

I get that, and they’re some of my favourite episodes, but that sort of makes it worse. It’s like, they did that already, in Balance of Terror, Devil in the Dark...

And look what happened to admiral Norah at the end of the Drumhead. She’s wheeled away, as a nutcase. I’d like trek to decide whether Humans in the future have sussed it out or not.

TNG characters were a bit too perfect maybe, but that was also the point, for me. What I took from trek was that, in the future, we humans still had the capability to be dicks, but could recognise when we were being dicks, and then not be dicks. The dicks that continued to be dicks anyway, they got promoted to admiral, on TNG.

As for the reporter, she was just doing her job. What would be scary and dystopian was if 24th-century reporters only did softball, puff pieces. Reporters are supposed to get in people's face and ask tough questions, even interviewing our beloved Jean-Luc Picard.

To paraphrase George Orwell, journalism consists of printing what people don't want printed. Anything else is just public relations.

Picard was an old man being attacked for things beyond his control. That was tabloid sensationalism, not reporting. He’d been retired and waiting to die for how long? The interview, and interviewer made little sense to me.

 

[jaime]

You really think she could survive an explosion coming from inside of her?

It didn’t. It was the plasma rifle. We literally saw her attacker beamed out mid fall just before. An expensive effect for cool factor, but what if it’s a little bit of a clue? I am coming around to thinking she lost a lot of skin, but underneath... beamed out. They wanted her for something, they wanted her activated, there was no apparent intent to destroy. I could be wrong, but something about the sequence of events. I think those were federation transporters doing the beam out too.

 

[jaime]

I get that, and they’re some of my favourite episodes, but that sort of makes it worse. It’s like, they did that already, in Balance of Terror, Devil in the Dark...

And look what happened to admiral Norah at the end of the Drumhead. She’s wheeled away, as a nutcase. I’d like trek to decide whether Humans in the future have sussed it out or not.

TNG characters were a bit too perfect maybe, but that was also the point, for me. What I took from trek was that, in the future, we humans still had the capability to be dicks, but could recognise when we were being dicks, and then not be dicks. The dicks that continued to be dicks anyway, they got promoted to admiral, on TNG.


Picard was an old man being attacked for things beyond his control. That was tabloid sensationalism, not reporting. He’d been retired and waiting to die for how long? The interview, and interviewer made little sense to me.

The point Picard (the man, and indeed the series) always makes is that you don’t rest, you keep working to maintain that high standard.

 

[JoeZhang]

TNG characters were a bit too perfect maybe, but that was also the point, for me.

Like Worf the racist who lets a man die because he will not give him a blood transfusion?

 

[Crewman6]

Picard was an old man being attacked for things beyond his control. That was tabloid sensationalism, not reporting. He’d been retired and waiting to die for how long? The interview, and interviewer made little sense to me.

The interview was just badly written. The reporter acted in a way no professional would in the 21st Century, let alone the 24th.

 

[DaveyNY]

You really think she could survive an explosion coming from inside of her?

The Phaser Rifle blew up, not Dahj.
She was melting.

(So was the rifle, as soon as it's power core became exposed it blew)

 

[Butters]

Like Worf the racist who lets a man die because he will not give him a blood transfusion?

Worf, the halfwit that snarls at button operated doors.

I don’t think of Worf when I imagine 24th century humans.

 

[ghjcmo]

J
What is interesting is that Data’s mother is still a secret. Because she absolutely was indistinguishable from human, that was the point. It’s possible this has been forgotten, at the very least by Picard, if not the writers but...I think he is just keeping the secret. He already knows it is possible, he needed to know if Dahj came out of Daystrom.

Help me out here, I must be COMPLETELY blocking out something here. Data's mother?

 

[Butters]

The interview was just badly written. The reporter acted in a way no professional would in the 21st Century, let alone the 24th.

Thank you.

That was an awful scene. It just didn’t work on any level.

 

[Butters]

Help me out here, I must be COMPLETELY blocking out something here. Data's mother?

I’d forgotten about that too.

 

[Noname Given]

Like Worf the racist who lets a man die because he will not give him a blood transfusion?

Or Picard the hypocrite in that Starfleet/The Federation is supposed to be tolerant or all cultures and their traditions and beliefs - except that EVERYTIME Worf did something uniquely Klingon that no one on Q'Nos or on the High Council has a problem with...Picard gives him a 5 minute dressing down/lecture on how WRONG he was to do it.

 

[DaveyNY]

Help me out here, I must be COMPLETELY blocking out something here. Data's mother?

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Inheritance_(episode)

 

[cooleddie74]

Help me out here, I must be COMPLETELY blocking out something here. Data's mother?

Juliana Tainer.

 

[Greg Cox]

The point Picard (the man, and indeed the series) always makes is that you don’t rest, you keep working to maintain that high standard.

Exactly. You can't just declare by fiat that, well, humans have evolved past all that negative stuff for good now, so we don't have to worry about it any more. Every generation has to fight to preserve what the previous generation attained--and maybe push the ball a bit further down the road.

Society and institutions may progress, but human nature is human nature. And progress can regress if you're not vigilant.

Remember "The Enemy Within"? The whole point of that ep is that Kirk can't just discard his more primitive aspects. He needs both his positive and negative instincts to fully whole and human. Indeed, as Kirk was fond of pointing out, we're not built to live in Paradise. We're always going to have to struggle against our darker angels.

"We're not going to kill . . . today."

 

[DaveyNY]

Thank you.

That was an awful scene. It just didn’t work on any level.

Obviously you haven't seen the evening FOX NEWS or CNN recently.
(both have Hosts that go for the throat on occasion)

 

[Yistaan]

Like Worf the racist who lets a man die because he will not give him a blood transfusion?

At this point I'm wondering if Picard and Worf are even on speaking terms considering Picard's overwhelming support of helping the Romulans even against Federation orders.