Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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  1. jaime

    jaime Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Great eighties tribute band though.
     
  2. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    but for the purpose of the show...it kinda does. To say the character's story in this new show doesn't start right there is a little bit like watching Batman Begins and saying, well Bruce Wayne as a character starts in Detective Comis No. 27
     
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  3. Datasbeard

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    Quite so. Beyond some of the terrible plot holes, what I’ve missed in Discovery is the sense of friendship and family. I see it a thousand times more between Picard and Dahj from a five minute chat than I do between Michael and Saru, however hard they have tried to shoehorn it in towards the end of S2. It’s what made Airiam’s death so underwhelming, for example.
     
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  4. Alan Roi

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    I'm comparing two shows and two specific narratives. Again, Burnham and Paris are very different characters.
     
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  5. XCV330

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    In retrospect the wrong Bowie song was used for Children of Mars. Heroes does not make any sense.

    Should have been Life on Mars

    too soon? too soon..
     
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  6. DaveyNY

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    Same here, other than referencing a couple of moments to refresh my memory in order to make a point or two, I'm waiting till at least Tuesday or Wednesday to rewatch the entire show again.
    I like to digest my first viewing completely in my head before diving all-in again.
    (discussing it here is also a way to instill it in my brain more thoroughly first along)
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  7. jaime

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    They really aren’t. The only difference is the Vulcan stuff they lifted from Spock and Tuvok. Burnham is Nick Locarno 3.0 with a side of Babylon 5 angst.

    Edit: just to expand, and I have said this before:

    Does naughty thing, dishonrable discharge, in the stockade. Captain picks them up as ‘special advisor’, Starfleet crew hates them. Befriends wet behind the ears recruit with overbearing mother who is a bit of an engineering/science prodigy (who wants in on the command track) Is also the child of high ranking bigwig in the federation/Starfleet, with a strained relationship. Finds new place with crew, and falls in love with a half-Klingon character.

    Burnham has a lot of Paris DNA. A lot.
     
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  8. Alan Roi

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    When you start with a character you adore vs a character you dislike immensely, of course you will have a different reaction when you watch them.
     
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  9. DaveyNY

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    I wonder if Maddox has been captured by the Romulans and was tortured and/or killed for his knowledge?
     
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  11. Datasbeard

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    I agree that it isn’t fair to compare anyone to Picard, a character we have known and loved for so long. But I actually really like almost all of Discovery’s characters, especially Michael and Saru. I’m not sure how my comment about the lack of believable chemistry/sense of family implies anything else.
     
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  12. DaveyNY

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    Would explain why B4 so completely malfunctioned once Data's info was DL'd, he didn't have a twin hard-drive for backup.
     
  13. TrekMD

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    I really enjoyed the first episode. I can't wait for next weeks episode!
     
  14. Yistaan

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    The complete lack of mention of Lore is very jarring, especially as his body was in Starfleet custody and they'd have access to him to recreate androids. Also, strange that there's a general lack of security in Picard's vineyard, or even the middle of a city apparently. Especially someone like Picard who has made enemies all over the galaxy, you think he would have a lot more security at his vineyard that Dahj would feel relatively safe there and not feel like she was endangering Picard.
     
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  15. Amasov

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    I just finished it and I found it to be very intriguing and I want to see more. I want to watch it a couple more times before I offer my complete thoughts.

    So far, Picard is much easier to follow than Discovery. Discovery has this undying urge to want to over-complicate things and then attempt to explain them away with extremely fast-paced dialogue. So far, I like the supporting cast (what we've seen of them) alongside Stewart. We'll see how that continues as we meet more of them. I do wish we'd get the fuck away from the evil artificial intelligence. Why is that suddenly a popular trope in Star Trek? I would have thought Starfleet learned something from the Control incident over a century ago.

    I'm a little unsure why Lal was never mentioned during the scene when Picard said, "Data always wanted a daughter." I'm not saying the show has to throw in fan service at any given moment, but, it at least seemed relevant to do so.

    I can't really compare this pilot to past Trek pilots only because I feel like we're now beyond pilots in the traditional sense. This episode does not stand on its own like the other Trek pilots do. It's the first in a ten episode storyline.
     
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  16. picardjean-luc

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    There was a scene in an earlier promo trailer of a conversation between Picard and an older bearded man who is lying on a bed, perhaps dying from an illness.

    Could this man be Maddox? Or
    could he be Q, because beneath his beard, the man looked like John de Lancie to me :bolian::bolian:
     
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  17. eschaton

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    Eh. Michael has the Paris backstory, but I also think they were trying the whole "caught between two worlds" thing which made Spock/Worf/Seven so popular. It's just it didn't go over well - and the directors were pretty inconsistent with it in Season 1 - so they more or less abandoned the whole "bicultural" thing.
     
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    Good catch, if you're right.
     
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  19. Amasov

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    And Lore could show up. We last left him in Descent, albeit deactivated. What became of him then is unknown. I would love to see Spiner take on that character again.
     
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    Folks guessed this a while back, and it isn’t the same actor IIRC. The actor who played Maddox is alive and seemingly active, and I really hope they got him to come back and reprise the role.

    Interesting about de Lancie. It does kind of resemble him. I’m hoping it isn’t, though. Much as I’d like a Q story, I think that would be too many narratives boiled together and it might start feeling like empty fan service. But hey, Season 2? :)
     
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