Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Lord Garth]

All the characters look kick-ass to me in their own way. I'll probably like them for the same reason other people won't. They seem more earthy. Which is the point. It's not Starfleet. They should be as far from Starfleet as you can get. This will be our first long-term look at what the rest of Humanity looks like.

You know how Worf was the textbook Klingon and not all Klingons were like that? I think Picard is the textbook 24th/25th Century Human and not all of them are like that or want to be. This is a different type of crowd that will give a different type of dynamic and that's part of what will separate this series from TNG. Not to mention all the other Star Trek series, which were ultimately all about Starfleet. Even DS9 was tilted toward Starfleet. For once, with PIC, Starfleet won't be the one whose story is being told through any of the main characters. It's all Ex-Starfleet or Non-Starfleet.

 

[fireproof78]

Some of you are insufferable

 

[Dukhat]

Some of you are insufferable

Not our problem.

 

[Noname Given]

Some of you are insufferable

Only some? This Board must be slipping.

 

[Crewman6]

So between all the clips, I think we now have now seen a solid chunk of E1.

Spoiler

Open on the Data dream sequence clip. Mars is destroyed, Picard wakes up, pets Number One. He opens the balcony. Cut to the clip of JL walking Number One, speaking French. Picard joins his Romulan friends, says Number One needs a bath, talks about his dreams. We see the Romulan man working in the kitchen, as Jean Luc orders Earl Grey Decaf. Next comes some stuff we haven't seen, but it will be undoubtedly be established that Picard is due for an interview on the anniversary of the evacuation of Romulus. He doesn't have much confidence in himself, even as he is getting ready in the evening. This is the clip we see of the Romulan woman saying, "We have not". She and the other Romulan give Picard a pep talk, and off he goes for his interview. A lot of backstory will then be revealed. Dahj will see him on the screens and realize he is the person to help her. She travels to find him the next day, we see the clip of him sitting in a funk, citing famous quotes to Number One. We see the clip of Dahj saying, "Please sir, I need your help." She explains who she is, but we may not be told just yet. Picard travels to Starfleet to ask for help, is denied. On his way out, Dahj is attacked by the Tau Shiar commandos, killed. Picard is now determined. He comes back to his vineyard, talks to his old friend by an evening fire, telling him he wants to "go back out into the cold", one more mission to help this woman's sister. Maybe that's the end of E1?

Spoiler

This is pretty darn close! There's some stuff missing, of course, but you got the basics...

 

[trekfan_1]

I'm certain this has been brought up before so apologiesj in advance. But has it been revealed why the Romulans cant save (evacuate) themselves? Or get help from other races other than Starfleet?

 

[Alan Roi]

I hope that these clips are the pacing the whole series will use (not a bait and switch situation).

[/SPOILER]

Glacial?

I'd prefer that it isn't paced to ensure old people can keep up.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm certain this has been brought up before so apologiesj in advance. But has it been revealed why the Romulans cant save (evacuate) themselves? Or get help from other races other than Starfleet?

It seems likely they threw their hopes into Spock stopping the supernova via red matter

 

[F. King Daniel]

I just read the most fun spoiler ever: Vasquez Rocks features in Picard... as Vasquez Rocks on Earth

 

[trekfan_1]

It seems likely they threw their hopes into Spock stopping the supernova via red matter

If that's the case, then why even ask/accept the Federation's help at all? if they made the decision to evacuate, it seems odd to me that they wouldn't use their own resources

 

[DaveyNY]

If that's the case, then why even ask/accept the Federation's help at all? if they made the decision to evacuate, it seems odd to me that they wouldn't use their own resources

They probably did, but only for the most Elite of their world.

 

[Datasbeard]

They probably did, but only for the most Elite of their world.

My understanding of the sequence of events is that the Romulans used their own ships as well as the Federation’s. We are talking about tens of billions of people here. When Starfleet abandoned its rescue attempts in the wake of the attack on Mars, the Empire found itself unable to complete the evacuation on its own, and turned to more desperate measures, including red matter. Spock may have found a way to procure it, and used his back channels within the unification movement to offer it to the Romulans. Now, quite literally, he became their last hope. That would help explain why Nero hated Spock so much after he failed, and why he wanted revenge against the Federation.

 

[Blooded]

It's certainly going to be interesting going back and watching Star Trek (2009) once I've finished the first season of Picard. I feel like knowing more of what was going on in the prime timeline in the lead up to the destruction of Romulus will add a bit more weight to what is going on in that Kelvin movie.

 

[trekfan_1]

My understanding of the sequence of events is that the Romulans used their own ships as well as the Federation’s. We are talking about tens of billions of people here. When Starfleet abandoned its rescue attempts in the wake of the attack on Mars, the Empire found itself unable to complete the evacuation on its own, and turned to more desperate measures, including red matter. Spock may have found a way to procure it, and used his back channels within the unification movement to offer it to the Romulans. Now, quite literally, he became their last hope. That would help explain why Nero hated Spock so much after he failed, and why he wanted revenge against the Federation.

That explanation seems reasonable. However, there's nothing stopping the Romulans from doing their own massive evacuation AND hinging their hopes on Red Matter. Even if the Romulan fleet is lets say 30 percent the size of Starfleet's, that woul still probably equate to around 200 million people. I could be wrong, but I get the impression Picard will reveal the romulan survivors are in the thousands not millions. They could of also received additional help from other races to boot.

 

[Blooded]

That explanation seems reasonable. However, there's nothing stopping the Romulans from doing their own massive evacuation AND hinging their hopes on Red Matter. Even if the Romulan fleet is lets say 30 percent the size of Starfleet's, that woul still probably equate to around 200 million people. I could be wrong, but I get the impression Picard will reveal the romulan survivors are in the thousands not millions. They could of also received additional help from other races to boot.

Do we know for sure that the Romulan's were even in a proper place to save themselves? Politically, they were a mess after the end of NEM. It's possible that there was a lack of unity across the planet, that would have slowed down any attempts to come up with a plan to save themselves.

 

[Yistaan]

That explanation seems reasonable. However, there's nothing stopping the Romulans from doing their own massive evacuation AND hinging their hopes on Red Matter. Even if the Romulan fleet is lets say 30 percent the size of Starfleet's, that woul still probably equate to around 200 million people. I could be wrong, but I get the impression Picard will reveal the romulan survivors are in the thousands not millions. They could of also received additional help from other races to boot.

That all could have happened and lowly miner Nero and his wife would still be at the bottom of priority evacuation lists. The lower classes might not even have been aware of the supernova, because it would have been kept among the elite and kept secret to avoid mass panic. Romulus is an authoritarian society that tightly controls its info, so even the Fed fleet would have been hidden from Romulus. Similar to how, say, some countries today block certain broadcast/internet info from their own people.

In retrospect it's a good idea they didn't make Nero a Senator or someone important since it's clear now with the steamrolling of the original Countdown comics that they are making this Romulan destruction up as they go along.

The Federation knew all along that Romulus was in danger and ultimately decided not to help. If the danger was indeed hidden among the lower classes to prevent mass panic, then Spock likely went along with it (at least for some time). Nero likely found all this out. No wonder he hates Spock and the Federation so much.

 

[Datasbeard]

In response to the above: my guess is exactly that the Romulans were using their own ships all along to evacuate as many individuals as possible, and relying on the Federation and other powers for help. Once Starfleet pulled out, though, it significantly reduced how many could be evacuated. Red matter may have raised the hopes that all could be saved, but once it failed all those who weren’t evacuated by the Romulans themselves perished. I sincerely hope that the number of survivors is well into the millions or billions, not merely thousands. It seems unrealistic that the Romulans would only have saved that many. In addition, a supernova should only have wiped out one star system, and the Romulan Empire spanned dozens at least. We can even suppose that once the red matter solution became known, arrogant Romulan politicians felt the threat was over and re-settled Romulus and Remus, resulting in basically the complete populations of those worlds being wiped out. Still, many more than thousands would have survived on other planets and colonies. (And yes, I’m aware Spock says the supernova “threatened the galaxy”, but that was surely hyperbole. No supernova can wipe out a galaxy, and clearly given what we are seeing, the Federation doesn’t seem like it was ever threatened.)

 

[Yistaan]

In response to the above: my guess is exactly that the Romulans were using their own ships all along to evacuate as many individuals as possible, and relying on the Federation and other powers for help. Once Starfleet pulled out, though, it significantly reduced how many could be evacuated. Red matter may have raised the hopes that all could be saved, but once it failed all those who weren’t evacuated by the Romulans themselves perished. I sincerely hope that the number of survivors is well into the millions or billions, not merely thousands. It seems unrealistic that the Romulans would only have saved that many. In addition, a supernova should only have wiped out one star system, and the Romulan Empire spanned dozens at least. We can even suppose that once the red matter solution became known, arrogant Romulan politicians felt the threat was over and re-settled Romulus and Remus, resulting in basically the complete populations of those worlds being wiped out. Still, many more than thousands would have survived on other planets and colonies. (And yes, I’m aware Spock says the supernova “threatened the galaxy”, but that was surely hyperbole. No supernova can wipe out a galaxy, and clearly given what we are seeing, the Federation doesn’t seem like it was ever threatened.)

If they are going to go with the "threatened the galaxy" route, it seems Star Trek Online's explanation that the "supernova" was an Iconian weapon meant to destroy the Romulans (and to preserve that the Federation wasn't threatened, just the Romulans) through subspace faster than light effects can still be fit. We know that Star Trek Online is making attempts to adapt their story to Picard, so this may be what happens.

Also, the recent Picard prequel comic outright has evacuation of some colony world that is not Romulus, so Picard is already going with a "magical" supernova that threatens multiple star systems. I know it's not strictly canon per se unless it's stated in the show, but it still follows the current writers' story that they have in their heads.

 

[trekfan_1]

In response to the above: my guess is exactly that the Romulans were using their own ships all along to evacuate as many individuals as possible, and relying on the Federation and other powers for help. Once Starfleet pulled out, though, it significantly reduced how many could be evacuated. Red matter may have raised the hopes that all could be saved, but once it failed all those who weren’t evacuated by the Romulans themselves perished. I sincerely hope that the number of survivors is well into the millions or billions, not merely thousands. It seems unrealistic that the Romulans would only have saved that many. In addition, a supernova should only have wiped out one star system, and the Romulan Empire spanned dozens at least. We can even suppose that once the red matter solution became known, arrogant Romulan politicians felt the threat was over and re-settled Romulus and Remus, resulting in basically the complete populations of those worlds being wiped out. Still, many more than thousands would have survived on other planets and colonies. (And yes, I’m aware Spock says the supernova “threatened the galaxy”, but that was surely hyperbole. No supernova can wipe out a galaxy, and clearly given what we are seeing, the Federation doesn’t seem like it was ever threatened.)

I agree. Everything would make much more sense if the Romulan survivors are in the millions .We'll find out soon.

 

[Yistaan]

I agree. Everything would make much more sense if the Romulan survivors are in the millions .We'll find out soon.

Not if along with the end of the evacuation Federation fleet, the worlds they were to be evacuated to closed off too. Patrick Stewart wanted his show to be a mirror of the refugee crisis. If the Federation decided "Since the fleet is closed off, why should these worlds or our worlds still be open to Romulans, our enemy?"

If the Fed also blocked worlds for Romulus to evacuate to, they couldn't evacuate millions because there would be no place to put those millions.