Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by The Old Mixer, Jan 8, 2020.

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  1. Danny99

    Danny99 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'll be honest. I didn't/wasn't going to go back through 123 pages of previous thoughts from other posters, so if there is duplication, so be it. This is the first time in three years since Trek returned to television that I have seen a new episode at the same time as others.

    Patrick Stewart is still a master of his craft. His speeches, his presence: he still commands the room. I was happy to see that they, like they did with Shatner in TWOK, showed that Picard has aged. My first thought when he and Dahj were running up the stairs was that he was going to somehow be able to keep up. I was happy to see he was out of breath and not the younger man he was even during Nemesis.

    Speaking of age, I understand Brent Spiner has aged as well, but his makeup was really caked on. I also don't remember his contacts looking that certain way. His First Contact era uniform also looked frumpy and made from a different material. Yes, Spiner is older and I think we would've expected him to look it, but these things could've been addressed.

    This was by far the best pilot of a Star Trek series since Emissary and may even take that crown once the dust settles. One of its strong suits was building the universe Picard now lives in. Having Picard, a man who had always believed in the loftier ideals of Starfleet and the Federation and preached it, resign over those ideals being betrayed was a strong reason for the character and can be linked to our current lives with governments turtling back inside their borders.

    I was glad to see the destruction of Romulus was not retconned from Star Trek 2009 and is a driving force in this new world. I'm no time travel expert, but one thing that did bother me that Nero's interference during that movie hadn't seemingly affected this timeline. It's not going to damper my enjoyment of this series, but got me thinking.

    I am interested to see how the two Romulans living with Picard came to be there, knowing he will also have a Romulan in his band later on. Have his attempts to save the Romulans and his subsequent resignation from Starfleet when they give up on the rescue given him some kind of special standing with the Romulan people? Is it a situation akin to the relationship with the Klingons being mended by the destruction of the Enterprise-C?

    Yes, we only saw ten seconds of a Borg cube, but I am cautiously optimistic that the Borg will finally be laid to rest as big baddies. Voyager and to a lesser extent Enterprise had weakened the Borg and their defeat in Endgame hopefully seems to have some lasting effects. Perhaps the destruction of the Queen has bcaused the remaining Borg to become lost or disconnected, maybe abandoning vessels, which make them easy pickings for Romulan refugees looking for a home.

    Bruce Maddox was such an ass in his one actual episode that they have spent each subsequent mention trying to rehab his image and I was impressed to see the writers remembered the handful of lines from Measure of a Man and that the character took Data's advice and didn't give up on his work and became a huge member of the robotics community. I hope they don't make him a big villain, but I'm interested to see his connection to Dahj and her twin.

    One thing that did occur to me was the question: did Star Trek need a caretaker, a strong personality to come in and demand it be done properly for Trek fans? We've seen that JJ Abrams decided to reboot the whole universe instead of trying to do something in the canon that fans like. We've seen Discovery do the Klingon War and the mirror universe, but then shoehorn it into the timeline sloppily. Stewart had said previously that this needed to be special to bring him back and perhaps it made the writers actually write something new and decent to bring him back. At least the inclusion of Picard got us out of the prequel rut.
     
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  2. Noname Given

    Noname Given Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Seriously? Please tell me what Star Trek Picard is " standing on " at this point? Hell they opened with absolute TNG nostalgia by having Picard and Data sitting in 10 Forward playing cards. Not to mention that opening shot of the 1701-D.

    But yeah somehow Star Trek Discovery is just using nostalgia yet somehow Star Trek Picard isn't...oh, wait...:guffaw:
     
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  3. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    Is Dunkirk even an apt analogy for what was going on, or was this Picard's attempt at a "gotcha" with the reporter woman? Wasn't Dunkirk about rescuing Allied soldiers using Allied resources? How does this equate to the Federation pooling its resources to save an enemy or at most someone they're on kind-of okay grounds with following the events of Nemesis?

    And is it that much of a thing that this reporter living in 2399 wouldn't be familiar with an event that happened 420 years or so before she was born? How much do you know about events that happened in the late 16th century? Picard is more of a historian than this reporter likely is.
     
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  4. thribs

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    Not only that, the end of Nemesis seemed to have opened the door to a alliance between the Romulans and Federation.
     
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  5. thribs

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    Difference is at Dunkirk, they just used what was available to rescue them. They didn’t build new ships. They were also constantly under attack on the island. I don’t think the Romulans were.
     
  6. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    I think the script was using short hand that audiences could understand since we just had a Dunkirk film. However, I can't really think of any other kind of rescue mission of scale myself other than Dunkirk.
     
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  7. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    Was the Federation actually building many or any new ships? Or was it a mass refit of mothballed vessels, like we saw of the Disco era ships in docks?
     
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  8. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    Was Paris attacked by the Breen during the Dominion War? I think the only image we saw on Deep Space Nine was the attack on San Francisco and Starfleet HQ, but as the seat of government, I imagine Paris would have been a target as well.
     
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  9. Lord Garth

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    They could've been but I don't think they were. Paris is where the President is. That would make even more news than Starfleet Command being attacked.
     
  10. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    oh I don’t know, Picard just started as a series and Discovery is on Season 3. I give Picard a wide birth in that respect.

    also I saw Picard more of a continuation rather than sequel of sorts.
     
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  11. thribs

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    No. Just Starfleet headquarters at San Francisco.
     
  12. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

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    I think we already see Data in a new host's body. He's now inside Dahj. Remember Dr Jurati said before he disappeared Maddox theorized that he could recreate Data by just installing a tiny fragment from his positronic brain into the body of a new android.

    I guess he managed to put the fragment inside the body of Dahj and her twin sisters. Also noted that in Picard's dream Data holds five Queen of Hearts cards indicating that there could be as many as five Dahj-type androids out there.

    One is the one who met with Picard and then destroyed by the Romulans. The second one is Sonji the scientist above the Romulan vessel. The other three is roaming the galaxy and not discovered yet. Picard's new adventure is likely to find these Dahj copies before a nebulous evil force - rogue Romulans, Section 31, or all of them working in cahoots - manages to find them.
     
  13. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    I doubt the average person today could tell you about Dunkirk, even with the recent movie.
     
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  14. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I hope this isn't another case of Picard is always right, and Starfleet is always wrong.
     
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  15. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Admiral Admiral

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    That's completely what it's going to be. It's just a matter of filling in the details.
     
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  16. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I figure as much, and I won't mind if it is entertaining. It just feels like Picard shouldn't have the best read on the situation since he's been out of Starfleet for a decade or so.
     
  17. cooleddie74

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    Kirk often had the same role even in his later years. Starfleet goes awry and even conspires with its enemies and Kirk - despite his own deep-seated prejudices festering over the years - rides in to save the very soul of the Federation by reminding it that there are more noble goals and aspirations than maintaining the status quo and fearing our enemies. Kirk. Sisko. Archer helped defeat the plans of Section 31 during the Klingon Augment incident and thus went against an agency of his own government.
     
  18. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I know the history of the franchise. :p

    Some days I dream of getting something a little more complex. I guess I just don't need a replay of Michael Burnham telling everyone that genocide is bad, which everyone should've already known.
     
  19. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    DAMMIT, I'M ON A ROLL, NERD.

    :devil:

    But yeah, it would be nice if the protagonist weren't always the smartest one in the room.
     
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  20. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    If only that was true.