PIC S3 Ships & Tech

[Shik]

That is certainly inconsistent, but TOS had a knack for messing with Warp speeds... at one point, the fastest the 1701 could go was about 1000 Ly's per day if I'm not mistaken. The Magellanic clouds are 160 000 Ly's away. At the speeds from TOS, you can get there in about 6 months.
But then you're presented with another conundrum: 'if those warp speeds did exist back in the day, why weren't they ever used by the rest of the fleet'?

And by the time of ST:V, the Enterprise supposedly went from Earth to the center of the galaxy in just a few days, implying that SF increased those Warp speeds from 1000 Ly's per day, to about 10 000 LY's per day (which definitely seems plausible increase for the passage of time and technological advancement - but in-universe wise, it makes 0 sense because the rest of the fleet never used those speeds - and VOY by that analogy would have returned home in a week without any technological advancements taking place in the interim - that's why I suggested it would have made more sense for VOY to be thrown 273,750,000 Ly's from its last known location (aka, hundreds of millions of ly's) make it back home in 75 years at a speed of 10 000 Ly's per day.

In the same vein, let's talk about running from Daystrom Station to Athan Prime, having a less-than-alacritous disagreement, & then heading back in less than an hour's time—with both places implied to be in different star systems. YEAH OKAY.

 

[Macintosh]

In the same vein, let's talk about running from Daystrom Station to Athan Prime, having a less-than-alacritous disagreement, & then heading back in less than an hour's time—with both places implied to be in different star systems. YEAH OKAY.

We know the Titan can achieve warp 9.99 – if the star systems are within a lightyear of each other it'd be doable. That would be uncommon but not impossible.

 

[Imaus]

We saw Spacedock being built in the DSC season 1 finale, as well. It's a few decades earlier than that picture assumed, but other than that, it looks a lot like Wilde's image.

IIRC, the "Legacy" had Spacedock dating back to the ENT era, but it was just the middle, smaller mushroom, and it expanded outward over the next hundred and thirty years.

I could see that, myself. It just keeps growing and growing and gets upgraded and gutted....

 

[Ronald Held]

Spacedock has a large SIF/Inertial dampers to reduce the mass to nearly zero, or enough to be towed?

 

[blssdwlf]

In the same vein, let's talk about running from Daystrom Station to Athan Prime, having a less-than-alacritous disagreement, & then heading back in less than an hour's time—with both places implied to be in different star systems. YEAH OKAY.

The TOS Enterprise could make a round-trip between systems 40 LY apart inside an hour with time for dialogue based on the numbers in "That Which Survives". Although TNG mostly followed the slower warp formula in the TNG:TM they did have episodes where they greatly exceeded the formula. So definitely possible for the Titan-A to run back and forth to Daystrom Station and Athan Prime, IMHO.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

And by the time of ST:V, the Enterprise supposedly went from Earth to the center of the galaxy in just a few days, implying that SF increased those Warp speeds from 1000 Ly's per day, to about 10 000 LY's per day (which definitely seems plausible increase for the passage of time and technological advancement - but in-universe wise, it makes 0 sense because the rest of the fleet never used those speeds - and VOY by that analogy would have returned home in a week without any technological advancements taking place in the interim - that's why I suggested it would have made more sense for VOY to be thrown 273,750,000 Ly's from its last known location (aka, hundreds of millions of ly's) make it back home in 75 years at a speed of 10 000 Ly's per day.

I'm thinking they found some sort of Short-Cut like some sort of sub-space tunnel to the center of the galaxy, this avoids the issue of traveling too fast.

 

[Macintosh]

I'm thinking they found some sort of Short-Cut like some sort of sub-space tunnel to the center of the galaxy, this avoids the issue of traveling too fast.

I find just ignoring the existence of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier completely solves a multitude of problems

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I find just ignoring the existence of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier completely solves a multitude of problems

You can do that, I won't.

Underspace was a series of Subspace Corridors that Voyager encountered by complete accident.

Who's to say that there was other Underspace Corridors that would let the USS Enterprise under Sybok's stolen command to travel to the center of the galaxy in a short period of time.

It's the most plausible answer without breaking canon and using the lore that exists.

Also, Tech during the ST:V era was far more primitive compared to what Janeway had.

Voyagers Warp Field interacted with one of those corridors and they were sucked right into Underspace and covered a vast distance in a short time.

Who's to say that Kirk's USS Enterprise didn't hit one of those "UnderSpace" corridors and didn't even realize it.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm thinking they found some sort of Short-Cut like some sort of sub-space tunnel to the center of the galaxy, this avoids the issue of traveling too fast.

Or the ship moves at the speed of the plot.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Or the ship moves at the speed of the plot.

You're free to interpret that as you see fit =D

I rather find a more attached to in-universe lore method.

 

[Dukhat]

You're free to interpret that as you see fit =D

I rather find a more attached to in-universe lore method.

Oh, so do I. I just wanted to point out that sometimes there’s just little to no thought by the writers and producers when it comes to technical matters such as how fast a ship should be able to get from point A to point B.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Oh, so do I. I just wanted to point out that sometimes there’s just little to no thought by the writers and producers when it comes to technical matters such as how fast a ship should be able to get from point A to point B.

Oh I know that, but many times, ST has been pretty accurate with their Travel Times as well too.

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That's why I'd rather lean towards accuracy or find in-universe explanations for writer snafus.

 

[blssdwlf]

Oh I know that, but many times, ST has been pretty accurate with their Travel Times as well too.

"Accurate" travel times depends on whether your view of warp speeds aligns with the writers.

Or more like, "A warp-driven starship is never late, nor is it early. It arrives precisely when it means to."

 

[blssdwlf]

"PHAT"

I like this new scale. I wonder if it means the TMP Enterprise is larger now too.

Looking at the Titan and the TMP Enterprise floating in the museum rings I can see the Titan is almost twice the size as the Enterprise so the saucer on the Titan is definitely scaled up. Must've incorporated that "Superior Klingon Scaling Tech".

 

[David cgc]

Looking at the Titan and the TMP Enterprise floating in the museum rings I can see the Titan is almost twice the size as the Enterprise so the saucer on the Titan is definitely scaled up. Must've incorporated that "Superior Klingon Scaling Tech".

That's apparently the correct relative scale based on BTS numbers but, on the other hand, the scaling for the ships is kind of wacky, so that they all fit comfortably into their identically-sized rings. The Nebula looks like it's just about the same length as the Enterprise-A, for instance.

 

[Dukhat]

Those ships in those rings are not any kind of accurate or definitive proof of scale.

 

[Macintosh]

Oh I know that, but many times, ST has been pretty accurate with their Travel Times as well too.

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That's why I'd rather lean towards accuracy or find in-universe explanations for writer snafus.

That's once. As Memory Alpha has been good enough to document, most of the time it's all over the place.

 

[fireproof78]

"Accurate" travel times depends on whether your view of warp speeds aligns with the writers.

Or more like, "A warp-driven starship is never late, nor is it early. It arrives precisely when it means the plot needs it to."

Made a slight revision.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

That's once. As Memory Alpha has been good enough to document, most of the time it's all over the place.

Maybe we should want to change that.

 

[blssdwlf]

That's apparently the correct relative scale based on BTS numbers but, on the other hand, the scaling for the ships is kind of wacky, so that they all fit comfortably into their identically-sized rings. The Nebula looks like it's just about the same length as the Enterprise-A, for instance.

Yeah, the Nebula looks to be around 260m wide/long. The Excelsior and Constellation even seem a bit smaller.

It is a bummer that the windows and details on the Titan's primary hull were not altered to make scaling easier. Oh well.

Made a slight revision.

Perhaps you should've changed it to, "Warp-driven Starships. The Warp-driven Starships are coming!"