PIC S3 Ships & Tech

[Tuskin38]

hat's assuming there's a "real" Shangri-La in canon.

The 23rd Century Titan is a Shangri-La Class Mark II according to Bill Krause.
https://universeodon.com/@AdmiralBuck/109586930359884112

You can also spot it in this PR shot.

Per the brief bridge crew descriptions, the Titan-A has been in service at least three years, plus some other tasty morsels:

https://trekmovie.com/2023/02/05/te...ps-more-clues-from-star-trek-picard-season-3/

Mark

Doug Drexler also said on Facebook that the ship was launched in 2402. So that would make Season 3 set in, at the very least, 2405.

 

[blssdwlf]

The pylons are thicker too. It's hard to see on the angle view.

Thanks for the orthos. Don't get me wrong, I think the 24th century upgrades look fine. I just don't see that the thickness of the neck or warp pylons would make any difference against a full-powered phaser or torpedo strike at close range when the shields are down.

Even considering the neutered weapons present in current 24th-century Star Trek (looking at you Lower Decks, Prodigy and Picard) those warp pylons are still quite thinner than the thinnest pylons on the Cerritos. A hit on the pylons of this updated Connie would still result in a severed pylon and the neck would likely be punched through as well.

 

[Tuskin38]

Even considering the neutered weapons

Neutered how?

 

[blssdwlf]

Neutered how?

Neutered as in doing low-powered damage when striking unshielded ships. For a reference point, in "The Wrath of Khan" we see what low-powered phasers and torpedoes do to the Enterprise and Reliant at close-range. It results in surface level damage, penetrating up to 1 deck or so which causes secondary explosions (Reliant's nacelle exploding or torpedo launcher exploding).
A full-powered phaser burst from transporter range at a damaged but unshielded Klingon Battlecruiser in "Day of the Dove" resulting in it's complete destruction. A full power photon torpedo to SS Woden in "The Ultimate Computer" resulted in it's complete destruction. In the same episode full power phasers at medium to long-range killed all the crew of the starship Excalibur.

Now compare to "The Stars at Night" where the Aledo and her sister ships phaser and torpedoes the unshielded USS Van Sitters at close-range but doesn't outright destroy her. Same again when the Aledo attacks the unshielded Cerritos. The level of damage is about the same as "The Wrath of Khan" (just more of it as there is more surface area to take the hits on the Cerritos). And there would be no reason for the Aledo to hold back. It would've been firing full power phasers and torpedoes.

Basically the loss of shields once meant certain death but now in the current Star Trek losing shields just means that dent isn't going to buff out without a trip to a starbase. IMHO.

 

[Tuskin38]

Eh, weapon power has always served the needs of the plot.

Look at DS9's battles.

 

[blssdwlf]

Eh, weapon power has always served the needs of the plot.

Look at DS9's battles.

Actually started in "The Wrath of Khan" trying to imitate Star Wars. But on average, weapon power has decreased since TOS.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

https://mastodon.online/@virtualbri/109809643101765883

The Inquiry-class has received a welcome facelift for S3! Lookie - a real deflector!

Mark

 

[NCC-73515]

The Inquiry was called the best ship in the fleet in S1 - I guess the Odyssey came in later and is now the best one

 

[Tuskin38]

https://mastodon.online/@virtualbri/109809643101765883

The Inquiry-class has received a welcome facelift for S3! Lookie - a real deflector!

Mark

The changes were made for season 2, they’re just also appearing in season 3.

The Inquiry was called the best ship in the fleet in S1 - I guess the Odyssey came in later and is now the best one

We don’t know when the Odyssey was launched in canon yet.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Ah, I stand corrected. Funny how we didn’t notice it last year (at least on this forum)… Perhaps we all just instinctively looked away given our collective reaction to the design at the end of S1.

Still though, it’s a vast improvement. Deflector aside, I like the shape of the lower hull a lot better, and someone turned off the lights of the saucer rim (or it’s been replaced by something that doesn’t look like a ring of windows). The nacelle arrangement still looks awkwardly flat, but overall it’s more congruous with the other Starfleet designs that have escaped from STO.

Mark

 

[jackoverfull]

Yes, it’s a definite improvement and I like how the shape of the secondary hull resembles a bit the Odissey’s one, which is supposedly a ship designed around the same timeframe.

the lights around the saucer were supposed to BE a new deflector design, so it makes sense to have them turned off now that there is a more traditional one. Yet another failed experimental technology for Starfeet, I guess…

 

[Tuskin38]

Ah, I stand corrected. Funny how we didn’t notice it last year (at least on this forum)… Perhaps we all just instinctively looked away given our collective reaction to the design at the end of S1.

The Inquiry in S2 was in the background out of focus, the only real change you can make out is the deflector and the extra blue glow on top of the nacelles.

We only know it was changed in Season 2 because Brian (same Brian that posted the renders, which also mentions Season 2) mentioned it on twitter last year.

 

[IRW Bloodwing]

Neutered as in doing low-powered damage when striking unshielded ships. For a reference point, in "The Wrath of Khan" we see what low-powered phasers and torpedoes do to the Enterprise and Reliant at close-range. It results in surface level damage, penetrating up to 1 deck or so which causes secondary explosions (Reliant's nacelle exploding or torpedo launcher exploding).
A full-powered phaser burst from transporter range at a damaged but unshielded Klingon Battlecruiser in "Day of the Dove" resulting in it's complete destruction. A full power photon torpedo to SS Woden in "The Ultimate Computer" resulted in it's complete destruction. In the same episode full power phasers at medium to long-range killed all the crew of the starship Excalibur.

Now compare to "The Stars at Night" where the Aledo and her sister ships phaser and torpedoes the unshielded USS Van Sitters at close-range but doesn't outright destroy her. Same again when the Aledo attacks the unshielded Cerritos. The level of damage is about the same as "The Wrath of Khan" (just more of it as there is more surface area to take the hits on the Cerritos). And there would be no reason for the Aledo to hold back. It would've been firing full power phasers and torpedoes.

Basically the loss of shields once meant certain death but now in the current Star Trek losing shields just means that dent isn't going to buff out without a trip to a starbase. IMHO.

I think you're misremembering a little.

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[IRW Bloodwing]

The Inquiry was called the best ship in the fleet in S1

Or, it could have been bravado on Riker's part.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Especially to "Commodore Oh", who as the head of Starfleet security (and Romulan mole who'd been embedded for a good decade by that point) doubtlessly did NOT sleep through fleet readiness briefings as part of her job. If anyone would know Riker was bravado-ing, it'd be her - and she did stand down after all.

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

I think you're misremembering a little.

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What do you think I had misremembered?

 

[fireproof78]

https://mastodon.online/@virtualbri/109809643101765883

The Inquiry-class has received a welcome facelift for S3! Lookie - a real deflector!

Mark

Still one of the best designs for Trek, aside from the Stargazer. I'll take the Inquiry for sure of most of the ships in this era. Possibly beat out by the Constitution III for multiple reasons, in terms of aesthetics.

 

[Macintosh]

I like the Inquiry-class. It seems like a logical evolution from those "post-TNG" ships we see in First Contact to "post-post-TNG" ships. It looks fast and powerful and solid, and the improved deflector makes the world of difference. Rather this than some of the terrible Star Trek Online designs that are sneaking into the show!

 

[IRW Bloodwing]

What do you think I had misremembered?

those ships were clearly suffering more than minor hull damage.

 

[blssdwlf]

those ships were clearly suffering more than minor hull damage.

Which means those dents won't just buff out and require a trip to a starbase As I wrote, the level of damage is still primarily surface level . There are fires burning but it isn't fatal. Not like an instant destruction. Van Sitters and Cerritos takes hits and the ships are still physically intact ala "Wrath of Khan".

(See Klingon Battlecruiser explode around 2:17)

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