Here's hoping. I really miss DrexFiles...
PIC S3 Ships & Tech
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Doug has already said he's sitting on stuff, so I'd say a 99% possibility that he'll do like they did in Season 2 and post all the ships and stuff after the series starts.
No California Class zooming around?? Bummer..
No California Class zooming around?? Bummer..
Nice. Hum, I wonder if we can retroactively dovetail the Echelon-class as also being those random two-nacelled shops seen in the far background of various episodes of Lower Decks..? Can we squint that much?
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Heh...we've been doing that since BOBW! 
Yup.
I have a feel Paramount might not agree with that.
When Terry first revealed the class name I believe it was also said that was the intention, but it's not a retcon until it's mentioned on screen.
Scotty's paper blueprints from ST6 were the first on-screen evidence that the refit Connie was still called a Constitution-class ship. Prior to that, fandom was split, often calling it an "Enterprise-class" on the assumption that the ship was the first to have been refit as such, and deserving of a new class name as such. The Enterprise-A never had the ship's class on her dedication plaques (she had two different ones), with one of them maintaining the old "Starship Class" moniker from the original.
So it's possible that the Starfleet of 2402 has re-assigned the E-refit (WHICH ONE?!?!) as a Connie-II, and this new one as a Connie-III whether or not we have an actual USS Constitution III in the mix. One wonders if Terry Matalas is thinking more along the lines of aircraft versus naval ships in naming conventions: for example, the F-35 is called the Lightning II, in tribute to the P-38 Lightning from WWII and partially the BAC Lightning from the UK, and the F4 Phantom II was named for an earlier and less successful design from McDonnel Douglas.
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So it's possible that the Starfleet of 2402 has re-assigned the E-refit (WHICH ONE?!?!) as a Connie-II, and this new one as a Connie-III whether or not we have an actual USS Constitution III in the mix. One wonders if Terry Matalas is thinking more along the lines of aircraft versus naval ships in naming conventions: for example, the F-35 is called the Lightning II, in tribute to the P-38 Lightning from WWII and partially the BAC Lightning from the UK, and the F4 Phantom II was named for an earlier and less successful design from McDonnel Douglas.
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In ST6, she was a Constitution class. In ST2, her bridge simulator had her as an Enterprise class. For all the years that have passed since then if Starfleet wanted to reclassify the ships to Connie I, II, III, etc it seems to be normal. But I wouldn't think of it as a retcon as none of the examples are retroactively changing anything.
So, since its the 3rd Titan, that its the Connie 3 as well?? maybe.
Why is it called the Connie 3? If its based on the Shangri La "Class" from the movie era, wouldn't it be called the Shangr-La 2 or 3?? Its a mess.. Just call it the Shangri La instead of the Titan.. Fixed!
Doesn't even look like a Connie, atleast the Excellsior 2 Looked like the old Excelsior class. You could see the design lineage.
That's assuming there's a "real" Shangri-La in canon. The idea could be that a hypothetical Constitution-class, let's say the Republic, was built looking like the TOS/DSC Enterprise in 2245, rebuilt into looking like the TMP Enterprise in 2275, and then rebuilt again into looking like the PIC Titan in, say 2395 (or, more likely, a new ship built as a TMP-version in the early-to-mid 2300s was rebuilt into looking like the PIC Titan), and there was never a TMP-era ship with those lines.
In my head-canon, the Shangri-La was the experimental testbed that became the Connie III. Nearly identical-looking ships with some engine adjustments. Just like the NX-Excelsior vs NCC-Excelsior and E-B upgrade.
Or, perhaps the SL was a scrapped 23rd century design with some way-too-ahead-of-its-time tech that was later picked up in the 24th once the prevailing technology caught up to the ship designer's original wish list.
Or, perhaps the SL was a scrapped 23rd century design with some way-too-ahead-of-its-time tech that was later picked up in the 24th once the prevailing technology caught up to the ship designer's original wish list.
Best time seeing that sort of collision since "The Year of Hell", arguably.
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Per the brief bridge crew descriptions, the Titan-A has been in service at least three years, plus some other tasty morsels:
https://trekmovie.com/2023/02/05/te...ps-more-clues-from-star-trek-picard-season-3/
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https://trekmovie.com/2023/02/05/te...ps-more-clues-from-star-trek-picard-season-3/
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Just as an aside, I would have liked a "Constitution III" class to look a little more hybrid. See Armando Perez' Resurrection class, for example...
I love the secondary hull and nacelles, but the neck looks way too thick and the primary hull just seems really off to me. Maybe it's the anachronistic Galaxy-like windows, 10-forward area, Sovereign-class Calypso-like Captain's Yacht and what appears to be a way-too-thick phaser strip that's not supposed to show up for another 80+ years. But hell, they're going 23rc century retro with Picard designs now, so why not?
It's supposed to be a 24th century Connie refit/upgrade, if I understand the designer's lore correctly. So those elements are not anachronistic to the design intent.
And I like the thicker neck, which corrects a design weak spot in the original Connies.
It does look like a "24th century" make-over. However, I'd argue that there are no design weak spots on the original Connies. If she was hit unshielded with a full power phaser or torpedo at close-range the ship would be destroyed. Thickening the neck (but not the warp pylons with the sensitive power conduits) doesn't make her any tougher, IMHO.
Agreed.
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